Neither endocannibalism nor exocannibalism can be classified as murder per se: the first is a sign of respect/love for the already deceased; the latter usually follows warfare, and homicide during warfare is not considered to be murder (deliberate homicide without justification). — javra
Not sure what you are trying to address with this lengthy response. Seems like you are using phenomenology to distract from the original point, namely that we can build a robust ethical system on some basic ideas. If you think there is some transcendent aspect to this enterprise I have neglected, maybe it would help for you to describe it directly. — Tom Storm
Take a simple case: a person bludgeons another for her money. Why is this prima facie wrong? What is the most salient feature of this case? — Astrophel
I've already answered this question several times (albeit indirectly). My general position would be we should privilege the flourishing of conscious creatures. A violent action like this would go against that. — Tom Storm
The should' and shouldn'ts are on hold until we can find out what it is that sits there in our perceptual midst that makes it ethical at all. — Astrophel
Agency comes, analytically, before inter-agency. — Astrophel
Look, you can't have an ethical relationship with a fence post. — Astrophel
introspection is the means by which all of the great ethical doctrines have been generated — Joshs
I con't imagine a worse way of dealing with an ethical issue than asking an armchair theorist with no hands-on experience.I can’t imagine a better way to prepare oneself to answer any of the above questions. — Joshs
Your comment sounds awfully Cartesian: — Joshs
I know that, but I'm saying that it doesn't become ethical until should and shouldn't or ought and ought not enter the frame. Ethics is about behaviour and how to be in the world with others.
If you want to go deeper than that, I am not sure there is a pool bottomless enough for that journey. — Tom Storm
I'm not sure of that. Notions of self develop by understanding one's self in relation to the other. Hence one's own agency is only understood in contrast to the agency of others. — Banno
care that I can get enough money to buy Haagen Dazs. Why? Because it is so delicious. What is deliciousness? Such an odd question, no? — Astrophel
Herein lies the essence of ethical agency. — Astrophel
The philosophical question is, how do we talk about ethics at a level where these incidentals are suspended so as to identify the "what is it?" of an ethical matter? — Astrophel
the internal dialog — Astrophel
It is, if you will, right there on the sleeve of ethical issues, ignored because it is simply a given, and people don't argue about what is simply given. — Astrophel
there is no need to justify wanting something delicious..... — Astrophel
Herein lies the essence of time wasting. — Tom Storm
Inanimate objects can be beautiful. To defile that which is beautiful is evil. Morality is not just about life, humans or animals; it's also about the lifeless. Ethics is an ever-expanding bubble that's gonna swallow up the entire universe/multiverse. If you're good, your heart keeps the rhythm of the universe. :grin: — Agent Smith
Superficially true enough, and by the same logic, there is no need to justify not wanting something distasteful. The affirmation or negation of a “want” is given, without the need for arguing its justification, which reduces to the instance of a given effect (want of the cake), the cause of which is left empty (the ingredients of the how of delicious). — Mww
Superficially true enough, and by the same logic, there is no need to justify not wanting something distasteful. The affirmation or negation of a “want” is given, without the need for arguing its justification, which reduces to the instance of a given effect (want of the cake), the cause of which is left empty (the ingredients of the how of delicious). — Mww
:100: :fire:One might know oneself best by looking in at one's reflection on the eyes of another. — Banno
:smirk:As I have argued, a priori intuitions or any such introspection will not survive contact.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
— Mike Tyson
Hence virtue ethics - but that's a longer story — Banno
As I have argued, a priori intuitions or any such introspection will not survive contact.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
— Mike Tyson
Hence virtue ethics - but that's a longer story — Banno
:smirk: — 180 Proof
I con't imagine a worse way of dealing with an ethical issue than asking an armchair theorist with no hands-on experience.
I do quite a bit of disability advocacy, and have come to appreciate the need for lived experience in policy formulation…
Ethics is about acting in a public social world, like it or not, and that's where ethical thinking must take place. — Banno
One might know oneself best by looking in at one's reflection on the eyes of another.
— Banno
:100: :fire:
As I have argued, a priori intuitions or any such introspection will not survive contact.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
— Mike Tyson
Hence virtue ethics - but that's a longer story
— Banno
:smirk: — 180 Proof
An action is as ethical as it does more good to a larger number of people on these spheres. (By "good" I mean of course "in favor of, supporting well-being".) — Alkis Piskas
Isn't what you're looking for the summum bonum, that being 'the ultimate goal according to which values and priorities are established in an ethical system'? — Wayfarer
Ethics is the support of survival and well-being. It is also their protection, promotion and enhancement. It is applied on many levels or spheres: individual (person), family, groups and humanity. One is higher and larger that its previous one. These are best represented as concentric spheres. An action is as ethical as it does more good to a larger number of people on these spheres. (By "good" I mean of course "in favor of, supporting well-being".) — Alkis Piskas
Inanimate objects can be beautiful. To defile that which is beautiful is evil. Morality is not just about life, humans or animals; it's also about the lifeless. Ethics is an ever-expanding bubble that's gonna swallow up the entire universe/multiverse. If you're good, your heart keeps the rhythm of the universe. :grin: — Agent Smith
What attracts me to philosophers like Heidegger, Nietzsche and Kierkegaard is, in their own way , there is this dethroning of empirical science, which turns foundational analyses of the world into a baron waste land (reminds my of T S Eliot's Wasteland. Of course, people got very angry over his conservativism, but there is a ring of truth in his complaint that the old order of the truth and glory of God was being replaced by something soulless, and the gravitas of being human was being lightened by a trivializing social network {women come and go; talking of Michelangelo} — Astrophel
A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe,' a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely, but the striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security. — Albert Einstein
If you do good, your heart keeps rhythm with the universe. It's that stretching out beyond the self, that capacity to see a bigger picture than what one likes or dislikes, that forms the distinction between ethics and mere appetite. And that extension past the self is why armchair ethicists fail.
Name those who have had the greatest moral consequence. Not Kant, the archetypal conservative who deduced the moral superiority of his comfortable middle class lifestyle from first principles. Gandhi; de Klerk and Mandela; King; folk who are active, but who also articulate their stance. — Banno
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