How about this:
First, lets substitute 'a' for 'the'.
Jack believes a stopped clock is working.
What is Jack's belief about? We have to say: A stopped clock.
Can Jack have a belief about a stopped clock if he doesn't know that he's looking at a stopped clock? — ZzzoneiroCosm
In other words: even though the clock is stopped, Jack's belief isn't about - a stopped clock. it's about a clock. — ZzzoneiroCosm
The first question: What does Jack know about his belief? A second question: What does your account of Jack say or imply or suggest Jack knows about his belief?
To my view the two should match. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Are you saying that Jack should know that the clock is broken in order to believe it is working? — creativesoul
Your account of what Jack knows about his belief should reflect what Jack knows about his belief. — ZzzoneiroCosm
My account of what Jack knows about his belief does reflect what he knows about his belief, as well as what he doesn't. — creativesoul
Should your account of Jack's belief reflect what he doesn't know about his belief? — ZzzoneiroCosm
I'd be interested in seeing some sort of logical argument from you that supports the otherwise gratuitous assertions. I've already provided the same. — creativesoul
Adding that adjective just seems to dizzy up the logic... — ZzzoneiroCosm
I'm sure you know more about the burden of proof than I do. If you want to include this tricky adjective in your account of Jack's belief, is the burden on me to prove you shouldn't? Or is the burden on you to justify the inclusion? — ZzzoneiroCosm
showing how is on you — creativesoul
So you're including what you know about Jack's belief in your account of Jack's belief. What justification do you have for including that? — ZzzoneiroCosm
If your side of this debate became orthodoxy, what would the implications be for this branch of philosophy? — ZzzoneiroCosm
The position I've been putting forth spans several branches. — creativesoul
The content of belief is propositional for the simple reason that only propositions can be true. — Agent Smith
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