...besides the JTB analysis of "knowledge" challenged by Gettier presupposes (or so it seems) the notion of "belief" as propositional attitude not the other way around. So, unless you have something more convincing to support your claim ("JTB is the basis for belief as propositional attitude"), b/c that is what I asked, then it is fair to say that you are completely wrong. — neomac
Plato is perhaps best attributed with the original conception of JTB. Nonetheless, JTB presupposes belief as propositional attitude, as you yourself have acknowledged. My claim was that JTB was the basis of the rendering. — creativesoul
If we say that Jack believes of that broken clock that it is working, what is the content of Jack's belief and what is Jack's belief about? — creativesoul
Great job denouncing shit that I've not said. — creativesoul
there's nothing at all stopping us from admitting that it was once raining outside and we did not believe it, or that we once believed a broken clock was working, — creativesoul
If we say that Jack believes of that broken clock that it is working, what is the content of Jack's belief and what is Jack's belief about?
— creativesoul
It's very simple; the belief is simply that the clock is working. If he was asked whether he thinks 'the clock is working' is true, he might say 'yes' or he might say, as I said before 'give me a minute and I'll tell you'. Or he might say 'I had assumed that, but on reflection I realize that was a baseless assumption'. — Janus
mmmkeyInteresting how different your account of my position is from what I've argued here. — creativesoul
Great job of denouncing shit that I've not written. — creativesoul
What is the content of a proposition? And is it propositional? — bongo fury
If we say that Jack believes of that broken clock that it is working, what is the content of Jack's belief, and what is Jack's belief about? — creativesoul
Again you introduce the ambiguity — Janus
So, I am asking you to clearly state Jack's belief and then proceed to tell me what Jack's belief is about and what the content of that belief is... — creativesoul
So, is it safe to say that - on your view - the content of Jack's belief is equivalent to Jack's belief and that Jack's belief is about something other than it's content? — creativesoul
Mary's room is based upon the dubious presupposition that we can learn anything about seeing red without seeing red. — creativesoul
Qualia is neither ineffable — creativesoul
Really? What does a language that you don't know look like? And when describing what a language you know looks like, are you describing the language or your knowledge of the language?Language is more than scribbles and sounds, ya know. — frank
What is the colour of a proposition? — Banno
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