Revelation to my view was written in the peak state and conveys information about how to achieve the peak state - the state Maslow described 2000 or so years on. — ZzzoneiroCosm
(my bolds)I cab see that Revelation may inspire religious feeling, but I can't see how it provides instruction as to "how to achieve the peak state". — Janus
Not instruction - information — ZzzoneiroCosm
Saying that "whatever exists is based on matter" is not a paraphrase of "nothing exists except matter". These are quite different things and carry different implications. (If this is the paraphrase you are referring to ...)I just took a paraphrasing of your quoting Wikipedia — god must be atheist
Where are you referring to? (What did I state exactly?)just stated that you think there is more to it — god must be atheist
What question are you referring to? (I can't see any question involved here.)It is an undecided question at this point. — god must be atheist
What schools of philosophy? (Which school says what?)All we can argue is what different schools of philosophy say — god must be atheist
What material is your materialism made of? Wool? Iron? Silicon?
Is your materialism liquid at ambient temperature, or gaseous, or solid?
How much does your materialism weight, in kg? — Olivier5
Saying that "whatever exists is based on matter" is not a paraphrase of "nothing exists except matter". These are quite different things and carry different implications. (If this is the paraphrase you are referring to ...) — Alkis Piskas
Can you please be more specific? — Alkis Piskas
Where are you referring to? (What did I state exactly?) — Alkis Piskas
It is an undecided question at this point.
— god must be atheist
What question are you referring to? (I can't see any question involved here.) — Alkis Piskas
What schools of philosophy? (Which school says what?) — Alkis Piskas
Of course, if a Wiki article offends you, you ought fix it. I'm working on Philosophical Investigations. — Banno
If you think religious texts can be informative, give us an example. And of course the fact that people presumably believed what is written in religious texts is not an example of being informative in the terms I am asking for. — Janus
Saying that "whatever exists is based on matter" is not a paraphrase of "nothing exists except matter". These are quite different things and carry different implications. (If this is the paraphrase you are referring to ...)
— Alkis Piskas
Strawman, again. You attribute things to others that they never uttered. — god must be atheist
"Materialists don't say nothing else exists beside matter. They say that whatever exists, is based on matter. For instance, consciousness, feelings, emotions, beliefs. — god must be atheist
Is your materialism liquid at ambient temperature, or gaseous, or solid? — Olivier5
One might argue that Socrates is completely and utterly a fictitious character, but that does extremely little toward negating the value of the information found in Plato's dialogues. — Metaphysician Undercover
Rather than add my own personal opinion to the melting pot of Wikipedia... — Metaphysician Undercover
I suspect that 180 is using Mohamed Ali's "rope-a-dope" strategy, trying to wear you down by chasing his shifty position. He doesn't often hit you with a real argument, but merely throws accusatory jabs & jibes at you. He may think of his strategy as Socratic gad-fly, but it comes across as annoying-gnat. I take the bait sometimes, when I need the exercise. :joke:↪180 Proof
Whenever I say something you don’t understand, which happens a lot, you call it a ‘non sequitur’. Is thinking reducible to neural matter, or is it not? If that is not an intelligible question, then say why it is not, instead of reverting to your usual codified nonsense, if that is even possible for you. — Wayfarer
I agree. Self-evident axioms are a good starting point, but if not off-set by new input, they will go full circle, back to the original position, nothing learned.So, I have this question: "Is there any meaning in talking about 'materialism' to materialists, since they can't see or think that there's anything else than matter, anyway?" That is, it is something self-evident for them. You can see this also as a paradox: "Materialism has no meaning for a materialist"! — Alkis Piskas
Well, call me "nitpicky", but I find it's 'dogmatic pseudo-science rationalized by sophistry' that tends to "leave no room for dialogue".They leave no room for dialog — Gnomon
Superiority Complex : an attitude of superiority which conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure.
Note -- I don't often quote Freud as a philosophical or scientific position, but he was good at making memorable metaphors. — Gnomon
Exactly. It matters not one jot if Socrates was fictional. What we have in Plato's literature is a method of enquiry that transcends the potential truth value. Plato is not dealing in 'revealed' wisdom. The New Testament, by contrast leaves us nothing but myths - a series of whoppers written about an itinerant preacher, produced for the most part decades after he lived by mainly anonymous sources. Not all ancient writings have the same status. — Tom Storm
Plato's method of enquiry "that transcends the potential truth value" (whatever that's supposed to mean). — Metaphysician Undercover
The electric currents on the neural lightning form an idea of materialism. — Cornwell1
wasn't suggesting Socrates is superior to Christianity. That kind of hierarchical game I leave to zealots. My point was Plato's literature doesn't depend on historicity for its success. The method is what matters, not the biography. We can't really say the same about the Jesus stories. But whether Christianity (or The Rolling Stones for that matter) had a massive following and were hugely influential is scarcely the point. — Tom Storm
The method is what matters, not the biography. We can't really say the same about the Jesus stories. — Tom Storm
Yes, I know. Adler formalized it, but the general notion probably came from Freud. :smile:The inferiority and superiority complexes come not from Freud but from Adler. :smile: — ZzzoneiroCosm
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