Same question to you as to 180: Assuming it's all up to the Israelis, what would you have them do?The suggestion that Palestinian civilians have "earned many times over" their treatment at the hands of the Israeli security/military forces, treatment that includes murder, violence, apartheid/legal discrimination, and forcible removal from their homes. — Seppo
First I'm racist scum, now a supporter of crimes against humanity - which is it? And what crimes, please, against humanity have I supported?You're a supporter of crimes against humanity who blames victims for those crimes. You're filth. — StreetlightX
First I'm racist scum, now a supporter of crimes against humanity - which is it? — tim wood
I'd have them stop committing human rights violations, for one thing. Reverse/repeal nakedly apartheid/discriminatory policies. Shouldn't be too much to ask to, you know, NOT murder civilians or steal their homes and stuff like that. — Seppo
the distinction that most folks might make between civilian and military, for the Palestinians, absent qualification, is disingenuous — tim wood
I've already stated more than a few times on the thread what I think Israel must do to end the status quo of oppression:↪180 Proof Assuming it's all in the Israeli's court, what would you have them do? — tim wood
Do you believe Gandhi, King, X, Mandela, Tutu, Wiesel, ... Ho Chi Mihn ... are wrong? :brow: — 180 Proof
You're sure, however, that occupation = oppression. Certainly it can, but equally certainly not necessarily. — tim wood
And you appear to represent that the Palestinians are the aggrieved party. I submit the Israelis are the aggrieved party and I will merely gesture at the last 75 years of their history as proof. — tim wood
A man beats his wife: a terrible and horrible thing. But when you grow up you eventually figure out that, terrible as it is, it also may not be as simple as it seems. — tim wood
It doesn’t take much reading of tea leaves to see the rampant anti-semitism in the hand waving about Palestine — Ennui Elucidator
You want apartheid? Go to Saudi Arabia. — Ennui Elucidator
There is a massive difference between Israeli apologetics and seeing Israelis as a group with legitimate interests just the same as Palestinians. Both groups cause harm to themselves and others as they struggle against their oppression. — Ennui Elucidator
Israel isn't an apartheid state — Garrett Travers
has anyone characterized e.g. Hamas militants as the victims? Anyone?? Or, rather, have they characterized the countless non-combatants who had their homes or places of worked bombed as the victims?
Oops, eh? :grimace: — Seppo
Israel isn't an apartheid state — Garrett Travers
Ok internet random. I guess I'll take your word over Amnesty International. — StreetlightX
Well, yeah, it is. Fairly explicitly so; not just in practice (although it is so in practice as well, obviously). — Seppo
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