We fear (in descending order of intensity)
1. Suffering (torture)
2. Dying (the transition phase between life and death)
3. Death (the state of being nonexistent)
I don't want to live on in my work. I want to live on in my apartment.
— Woody Allen — Agent Smith
"Be fruitful and multiply" increases overall entropy. — 180 Proof
Entropy is inevitable, but the creation of something that can act as source of inimitable joy and resilience isn't necessarily problematic. — DA671
Stability amidst decay. — DA671
"we" — DA671
a world struggling with issues such as worsening wealth disparity and global warming — DA671
mindless procreation — DA671
risks — DA671
Ain't we all just human, all too human (aka "stupid is as stupid does") .... overpopulation - one posited way of bringing about the apocalypse (famine, war) aka chaos (high entropic state). — Agent Smith
Parenting isn't always easy — DA671
I've met many parents who've sacrificed their careers and their enjoyment for the sake of giving their children a good life. — DA671
The risks cannot be seen without the opportunities, which would only be caused by the parents, making them deserving of praise — DA671
Ain't we all just human, all too human (aka "stupid is as stupid does") — 180 Proof
Given this, it's irresponsible & immoral of us to bring children into our world. Would you, for example, send your friend on a quest if his/her safety was in question? It's the same thing, may be even worse. — Agent Smith
Nay antinatalism! — DA671
incomplete picture is dangerous — DA671
There is a potent joy hidden beneath that sacrifice — DA671
Superficial pleasures — DA671
math — DA671
I also appreciate your kindness and care for others — DA671
hope that people can have decent lives and help make the world a better place for all — DA671
The extinction fossil records of some 98% of all species is testament to life's blindly wanton profusion of ("antilife") maladaptations.Antinatalism is definitely anti-life. Remarkable, isn't it, that life could, over billions of years of struggle to survive, produce antinatalists. — Agent Smith
Evoltion doesn't have any "objective". ("Survival" pertains to the species and only to individuals until they propagate their genes through live births.) "Antinatalism", on the other hand, is a cultural development rather than an adaptation to natural selection pressures. Don't confuse apples with oranges (i.e. first-order processes (genes) with second-order processes (memes)). The latter may be correlated with the former but there isn't any evidence that they are causally related.I'm expecting evolution, if survival is its primary objective, to mount an equal and opposite response. What would that look like?
Certainly; nonetheless their memes, like their genes, (might) reproduce too.Would all antinatalists die off?
The extinction fossil records of some 98% of all species is testament to life's blindly wanton profusion of ("antilife") maladaptations. — 180 Proof
Evoltion doesn't have any "objective" — 180 Proof
If people cannot find adequate value in their lives, it would obviously be better if they did not exist — DA671
I do not think that an exact calculation exists — DA671
potential for immense happiness — DA671
creating people in terrible conditions is not a good idea. — DA671
Two word refutation: "Donald" "Trump" ... QED. :smirk:maladaptations don't exist — Agent Smith
Sorry, I'm not an animist, so anthropomorphism – special pleading – won't get you anywhere with that tact.... if evolution were treated as a person ...
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