I never said that being hung from a tree is cursed... only that the Jewish scriptures say so. — Seppo
the Jewish scriptures claim that dying on a tree is a curse, — Seppo
All things confirmed by Paul, when he tells us how they had difficulty converting Jews — Seppo
according to all our records including/especially the Gospels, — Seppo
even the Gospels tell us he was a peasant — Seppo
I never said that being hung from a tree is cursed... only that the Jewish scriptures say so. — Seppo
I didn't say other peasants "looked down on him", I said that the notion of a dead peasant being the literal anointed King of Israel struck most Jews as absurd. Being a peasant and being the king are sort of mutually exclusive- or are you going to dispute that too? — Seppo
And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us (Matthew 9:27).
Well, you are using scripture as "evidence" for your arguments, aren't you? :grin: — Apollodorus
Accepting that the scriptures say something obviously isn't the same thing as accepting the thing it says. — Seppo
1. IMO it is entirely conceivable for a peasant to become king. Joseph was a slave and became second-in-command after the Pharaoh, which after all is much higher than a Hebrew king. — Apollodorus
Clearly, not everyone thought he was a peasant. So, on what scientific basis are you accepting religious narratives claiming he was a "peasant" and rejecting religious narratives claiming he was of royal descent? — Apollodorus
This part is quite exiting: "anti-Christian activists like yourself cite other anti-Christian activists like Ehrman as their "eminent authority". You aren't fooling anyone." — Paine
I didn't realize quite the level of religious crank we were dealing with here. Suddenly things make a lot more sense. — Seppo
Accepting that the scriptures say something obviously isn't the same thing as accepting the thing it says. — Seppo
Yes, everyone thought he was a peasant. — Seppo
This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham ... (Matthew 1:18)
Good thing, then, that I never said such a thing. — Seppo
Only that your statements seem to be based on belief rather than fact. — Apollodorus
Sorry man, I didn't realize you were such a diehard religious crank, so I'm not longer interested. — Seppo
We're not talking about a peasant becoming king, but a peasant being the king. The anointed king. Despite not having been anointed, and not being the king. You still don't see the problem? — Seppo
Literally every time he quoted scripture. You do know that all the gospels are written in Greek? Every time Jesus quoted the Torah it was a word-for-word quote from the Septuagint. — SkyLeach
There is no evidence (at least that I'm aware of) that he ever quoted Hebrew.
The scrolls used by religious leaders during that period of time were always in Hebrew, not Aramaic. It would have been sacrilege to any Jew to "quote" scripture only after translating it into the common tongue. Even today Yiddish is used to speak but Hebrew is used in prayer and worship. — SkyLeach
If Aramaic was the sole (or even main) language spoken and written in Roman Palestine, why would anyone turn to the Greek LXX instead of Aramaic or Hebrew texts? — Apollodorus
They wouldn't, not in 1st century Palestine, but a century later, when Greek speakers wrote the story, they used the LXX to check that they had the quotes right. — Olivier5
if there were Greek-speaking Palestinian Jews in the 2nd century, there is no reason why there couldn’t have been Greek-speaking Palestinian Jews a few decades earlier, in the time of Jesus. — Apollodorus
Of course, Jesus must have been influenced by the Greek culture that had ruled the Middle East for centuries. But the actual "sayings" of Jesus reflect his own Jewish culture -- especially the wisdom literature of the Essenes. So, It may have been the apostles to the gentiles that presented their Christian doctrine in terms familiar to non-Jews.Jesus was influenced by Hellenistic thought. — Dermot Griffin
This maps well with Jesus' tendencies to reject this world as inherently corrupt, and the Devil as dwelling in it. — Olivier5
Of course there were. But it does not follow that Jesus was one of them — Olivier5
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