I was only referring to poverty. Now crime is different and complex. Starting from having effective institutions like the justice system and a working and among the people an accepted police force. Huge income inequality and lack of social cohesion helps crime. I've always said to Finns that Finland would be like Mexico, if no criminals would be jailed and they could do whatever they want. Mexico is a perfect example when organized crime just can go rampant and integrates into the legal system and security forces. Basically if something happens to you in Mexico, stay away from the police.I don't think you can reduce it all to the economy either. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Well, there are a lot more of us than there are of them, and we all have guns. — Ciceronianus
the valuing of profits over people is at the core of this rot. — Xtrix
When you live in a socioeconomic system that chooses to value money and property over everything else, these issues are mere symptoms. — Xtrix
Profits are what benefits people — Garrett Travers
Meaning, there is no distinction between people, and the pursuit of profits in function, and also nothing wrong with profit. — Garrett Travers
The lobbying you mention would not be possible if law makers, who are representatives of the monopoly on force that is actually the core "of this rot," wern't there to be bought from rich people seeking to avoid competition through government protections against said competition. — Garrett Travers
When you live in a socioeconomic system that chooses to value money and property over everything else, these issues are mere symptoms.
— Xtrix
Money and property is the recognition of individual value. — Garrett Travers
A small minority of people, yes. The environment and the rest of the population -- not so much. — Xtrix
There is a very clear distinction between people and the concept of profits. I don't know what the above sentence is supposed to mean. — Xtrix
That's one part of the story, yes. We can blame the weak-willed bride-takers. We can also blame those who bribe. You seem much more reluctant to do the latter. — Xtrix
Blaming the government in every instance is, as I've talked with you about before, too simplistic. It's an incomplete analysis. But one with an important function: to divert attention from the decisions of private power. — Xtrix
There is also no evidence whatsoever that market "competition" will solve any issue, let alone all issues (as is often claimed). Market efficiency, in my view, is a myth -- much like free markets. — Xtrix
Money and property have nothing to do with a human being's value. — Xtrix
But even if it were true, the ranking of money and property over everything else, as mentioned above, is leading, and will continue to lead, to massive destruction. — Xtrix
You and all other humans are almost exclusively dominated by a desire for homeostasis, you are a functionally profit-seeking being. — Garrett Travers
all people who have things are benefitted by profit. — Garrett Travers
Not the people tempted to offer the bribe because of some perception of fear. — Garrett Travers
Blaming the government in every instance is, as I've talked with you about before, too simplistic. It's an incomplete analysis. But one with an important function: to divert attention from the decisions of private power.
— Xtrix
There is no private power, there is only state institutionalized power. — Garrett Travers
The money in my bank account in no way relates to anyone else. — Garrett Travers
Valuing money is not what is leading to destruction, valuing destruction is — Garrett Travers
Homeostasis, a desire for food, etc., has nothing to do with profit. Nothing. If you want to define profit in some other way, you're welcome to. — Xtrix
A small minority benefit from profit. The rest get scraps. — Xtrix
I don't let those who bribe others off the hook. Again, you're welcome to. — Xtrix
State power is accountable to the people, in principle — Xtrix
It does.
Because there's a world outside the self. — Xtrix
I doubt very much that the CEOs of Chavron or Exxon "value destruction." They're helping to destroy he environment, yes -- but that's not because they value destroying it. Their destroying it is a consequence of short-term thinking, spurred on by a system that demands greater share prices each quarter. — Xtrix
That's not homeostasis. — Garrett Travers
Scraps are profit. And perhaps they should try harder and live more virtuously. — Garrett Travers
I don't let those who bribe others off the hook. Again, you're welcome to.
— Xtrix
No, just their masters. — Garrett Travers
But in actuality is the greatest murder of the human in history. — Garrett Travers
It doesn't, and I don't care about the world outside in terms of other people. — Garrett Travers
I didn't once offer a definition, so this statement is meaningless. — Xtrix
The people being bribed are the "masters"? — Xtrix
According to a simplistic dogma that blames any and all problems on governments. — Xtrix
It does, and we're all well aware that you don't care about other people -- but thank you for clarifying. — Xtrix
:lol: — Xtrix
Yes, you used words to describe something that wasn't homeostasis. — Garrett Travers
The people being bribed are the "masters"?
— Xtrix
Yes — Garrett Travers
Meaning, I care more about people than anyone you know, including yourself. — Garrett Travers
Homeostasis, a desire for food, etc.
— Xtrix
Your words exactly. — Garrett Travers
X, y, etc.," does not imply y=x. — Xtrix
homeostasis requires profit to achieve — Garrett Travers
Homeostasis has nothing to do with profit. You wish to invoke "profits" in the definition, that's your prerogative. — Xtrix
The reason for high murder rates is a feeling of entitlement, the Randian Me! philosophy, and the culture of arrogance. — god must be atheist
Profit is disntinguished by any form of benefit one can accrue that contributes to homeostasis. — Garrett Travers
Homeostasis has a meaning, and generally a physiological one. — Xtrix
Profits is basically an accounting term. It’s what is left after you subject cost from final price. — Xtrix
One has nothing to do with the other, except perhaps in a some constructed semantic fantasy. If that’s where you choose to live, you’re welcome to. But don’t involve me. — Xtrix
Again, you’re welcome to your invented semantics. I’m not interested. — Xtrix
Demonstrate that such is true, considering the fact that aggression is specifically linked to one feeling entitled him/herself to some etc. etc. — Garrett Travers
Garrett, I don't read your posts, and you promised to not read mine, but apparently you forgot.
No problem, just a gentle reminder that I ignore everything you say for I believe you are not worthy to be present on this board, but that you should not take it as an insult, because it is my opinion, and only that. If you feel like you can reciprocate this sentiment, and I believe you have in the past, then of course please do. This post is also a refresher for that opinion-exchange.
Happy philosophizing. — god must be atheist
Definitions aren't semantics dude. Their definitions. — Garrett Travers
Homeostasis:
the tendency toward a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes. — Garrett Travers
a financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something.
just a gentle reminder that I ignore everything you say for I believe you are not worthy to be present on this board — god must be atheist
I'm only beginning to understand this. — Xtrix
You literally are just choosing to ignore the fact that homeostasis requires profit. — Garrett Travers
The US has far more guns than nearly any other country, per capita. The gun manufacturing industry, with their propaganda and lobbying, is behind it. Which only means, as usual, the valuing of profits over people is at the core of this rot. — Xtrix
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