“Russia is already beginning to talk constructively,” Ukrainian negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak said in a video online. “I think that we will achieve some results literally in a matter of days.”
Putin cannot be trusted, for one. A deal is nothing to him — Olivier5
Nothing works — Christoffer
Putin will never compromise. You can’t negotiate with terrorism. — Wayfarer
a peace deal now would offer only a temporary -- if welcome -- respite to Ukraine. — Olivier5
So you've been arguing against my view that Ukraine should accept a deal, for the last eight pages...what? By accident? Was your account hacked by a rabid warmonger? I hate it when that happens. — Isaac
For me war totally obvious with the television speech that Putin made on the 22nd of February, two days before the invasion. This was never a dress rehearsal, a training exercise to get the US to talk. And I had agreed with the historian Nial Ferguson's comment from January that the probability of war was 50/50, which is a really high probability. For example @Amity understood well the reality before the attack commenced. Others too.I believed Putin would not invade. I was wrong. — FreeEmotion
I argued that they might have good, rational reasons not to sign — Olivier5
There have been plans to create more Donetsk / Luhansk type puppet states. Which will now be even more grotesque Stalinist theatre as when the People's Republics were formed in 2014 because of the footage of Ukrainians openly demonstrating against the Russians in the occupied cities.According to rumors on the street, a couple Ukrainian mayors have already been napped and replaced by Russian puppets. — jorndoe
On 2 March, Ukrayinska Pravda reported that Ukrainian intelligence sources believed that Yanukovych was currently in Minsk, Belarus and that it was Russia's intention to declare Yanukovych as President of Ukraine in the event of Russian forces gaining control of Kyiv.
And those reasons have gone away now? — Isaac
And I really, really hope Zelensky survives. I expect the worst but I will definitely shed a lot of tears if those bastards take him out. — Wayfarer
You wanted to know my reasons for supporting Ukraine. — Olivier5
Well now you know. They are the aggressed, therefore I root for them. — Olivier5
Which side did you chose and why? — Olivier5
Both are the aggressed. You chose one. — Isaac
You ought to understand that I naturally and normally support the right, and in fact the duty, of legitimate leaders of an attacked nation to defend the nation and themselves. — Olivier5
Which REAL, identifiable side do you support? — Olivier5
I choose the side of those who'd rather avoid all the bloodshed and horror of war than act out their Star Wars fantasies with a population of innocent civilians. — Isaac
Isn't it obvious? There's no side he is willing to take. He'll invent this "innocent people" group, who are totally separate of the actions. I think those 2,5 million Ukrainians or those Russians fleeing Russia because of the developments in the country do have opinions about which side is at fault and which isn't.Do they have a name? A leader? A phone number perhaps?
Which REAL, identifiable side do you support? — Olivier5
idk, I'm just saying someone should maybe, maybe maybe look into war-time heroes and how that tends to play out in like, all of history since the beginning of time. — StreetlightX
Manics not big in Australia? — Isaac
Ooooh. Manics is big with me! But I didn't recognize him — StreetlightX
Liberals get off on having a Zelensky-like figure available for intellectual reification - it plays right into their Harry Potter fantasies of individual heroes moving the world. He fills a void already cut out in their imaginations. — StreetlightX
Not to forget that this is like instead of Churchill (or basically Chamberlain), the British would have voted Charlie Chaplin to head their country in the war against Hitler. Perhaps Chaplin would have succeeded in that role perfectly, he surely was against fascism and Hitler right from the start and likely could have acted in a very serious role.He seems like a chill dude, doing well, under tremendous pressure. — StreetlightX
There are multiple ways a leader could defend their nation. Arming everyone and fighting to the last man in defiance of any offer from your aggressor is not the only one. — Isaac
. I support strategies that I think will be best for ordinary people. I don't follow 'leaders', I don't pick sides as if picking out which suit to wear, I don't require a social media movement to validate my assessment. — Isaac
For me war totally obvious with the television speech that Putin made on the 22nd of February, two days before the invasion. This was never a dress rehearsal, a training exercise to get the US to talk. And I had agreed with the historian Nial Ferguson's comment from January that the probability of war was 50/50, which is a really high probability. For example Amity understood well the reality before the attack commenced. Others too.
Some insisted that everything was an American propaganda scare tactic, that all this has happened because of the US, well, they are still quite active. Just to refer one who before the invasion was launched, wrote about his intentions: "Just disrupting the rosy media-friendly picture of the poor underdog Ukrainians being set upon by nasty thugish Russia." — ssu
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