I hope you had and still have support from family, friends or any other caring and good listener... — Amity
Well, I wouldn’t assume they didn’t want to be in the relationship, although I would agree that it’s a possibility. I was referring specifically here to an ongoing relationship. My point is that I don’t think people are necessarily aware of this structure of affect while they’re in a conceptual-level discussion. And if they are aware, they don’t necessarily think it should factor into the discussion. Which I think is fine as long as there is no ongoing relationship between affected positions, or any chance of actual interaction. — Possibility
Women do that to women as well. In fact, even more frequently than men, insofar a woman has more interactions with other women than with men.
— baker
Sort of. Hatred, yes. Violence, no.
But that would either make an end to the power game, or take it to a whole new level.
— baker
I agree with the first part - that’s kind of the point. But what ‘whole new level’ are you referring to?
How can you tell whether some reasoning is false..........
— baker
By considering the premisses stated or implied and the conclusions purportedly derived from them.
......and some behavior is bad?
— baker
I can tell that it's wrong to rape a woman either because she refuses sex or indeed for any other supposed reason. You can do this too. You don't need to ask me how. You're already there.
I can give you deontology and utilitarianism and intuitionism if you need the philosophical bases. But for this thread topic it really is not necessary. — Cuthbert
But women objectify themselves and other women in this same way. Pick up pretty much any "women's" magazine, book, tv show, seminar, webinar, and there it is: "see yourself as a piece of meat to be fucked".
It's a bit of a stretch to say that women do this because they are the poor victims of patriarchy.
— baker
I would agree that women, being people, have the capacity to make decisions. Bikini models choose to be bikini models, etc. Alcoholics choose to be alcoholics (60% of the revenue in the alcohol industry comes from alcoholics), etc.
But I think that it would be too shallow of an analysis to entirely put the blame for objectification on the women who choose to objectify themselves. — _db
The objectification is marketed towards men - it is the male gaze that these women are attempting to satisfy. And by doing so there is the implicit message: that if you don't look like this, you aren't good enough.
There is also a case to be made that the objectification of women reached new heights when women joined the workforce. After the feminine mystique was demolished in the first wave of feminism, there had to be a way to compensate for the economic loss that came with women leaving the kitchen. They weren't buying the household stuff that they usually did. The only thing left was to ramp up the body image ideal. More makeup, more clothes, more surgeries, more diets. It's all about the $ $ $ $ $ . It also happened to put an unfair double standard on women, who not only had to be professionals but also had to be beautiful (a fluid concept that cannot be pinned down).
In a matriarchal society would women end up being the nasty ones on account of having power or would the world be kinder on account of women being in charge? — Cuthbert
If love is a matter of goods, why would I have less of a right to them then you? — Tobias
Ah yes, the old, "I love you, but you're such an idiot/loser/slut!"
There are things that one just wouldn't say to someone one loves. If a person calls you names, calls you stupid, makes disparaging remarks about your character, and so on, then they just don't love you and aren't your friend, even if they claim otherwise. — baker
By whom were you hit more often? By men or by women? — baker
I think the OP was pretty ridiculous, but I'll give you kudos for salvaging this thread with your compelling story of how you banged a girl cross eyed on the way to Bangkok (my spin).I still loved her but couldn't take the madness anymore. — Olivier5
I firmly believe that sexual frustration is at the root of all wars started by men. — Amity
I firmly believe that sexual frustration is at the root of all wars started by men.
— Amity
Based on what exactly? That sounds utterly ridiculous and I don’t really understand the obsession with the idea that sexual relations are somehow inextricably entwined with violence/war. — I like sushi
Based on what exactly? That sounds utterly ridiculous and I don’t really understand the obsession with the idea that sexual relations are somehow inextricably entwined with violence/war. — I like sushi
Thank you, you are very kind. Honestly I failed her, but yes, in the end it was her choice. — Olivier5
How about starting a war for resources (the usual reason). They said it was the main reason, or one of them, I believe? You would have to do a better job of explaining why this is. I am not saying people are not driven to violence due to some ‘sexual malfunction’ or some such thing, just that I don’t see how it can be viewed as anything like a main reason for driving someone into war/violence.
I am open to a reasoned account of why this may be so (specifically as an item that majorly entwined with war/violence). — I like sushi
It is off topic but may ask you what your PhD is about? I am interested — Tobias
Now I think at the heart of all this drive for competition, the show and spectacle one makes of oneself, is to show ones virility, if not individually than socially — Tobias
Well, not to give the game away too much... — Amity
What philosophers are said to do.
No. Not navel-gazing.
'Willy-waving' :blush: — Amity
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