The overarching aims of the invasion are as follows.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589
"Russia is ... aiming for a neutral Ukraine. Russia may also seek to hold on to its territorial conquests - both Crimea in the south and in Ukraine's east.
They control the breakaway regions now and they've got Zelensky to say his country will never join NATO for a start. — Baden
Do you think they can sustain these kinds of losses indefinitely??? — RogueAI
Propaganda: zealous speech to persuade. "Their propaganda is all lies, our propaganda is full of truth." — Bitter Crank
Given we do propaganda too, obviously. What is it? If it's invisible to us, that's a problem. — Baden
. The big loser in terms of strategic outcome here is Ukraine. — Baden
You mean achieving aims, which it would have settled for before the war is a complete disaster for it and a victory for the Ukraine who now can't even stop the war by conceding what would have prevented the war in the first place? — Baden
"The big loser in terms of strategic outcome here is Ukraine. They'll probably never get the breakaway regions back and never get to join NATO and as a bonus have their country completely fucked up."
I am sorry gentleman but the rot is deep. If we ever want to be of help to anyone, the first responsibility is to a cool and detached look at reality. Without that we are useless to them. — Baden
A total breakdown of the Ukrainian forces could still happen I guess, but it's not happening... — Olivier5
Tens of thousands of dead Ukranians, cities turned to ash = "some broken bones"
Jfc — StreetlightX
The figure you site may very well be true. But surely there are significant losses on the Ukrainian side, soldiers and civilians alike. A lot o material damage Is being inited by the Russians. Even if they flat out lose, leave with tails tucked between their legs, the damage Russia has inflicted on Ukraine's structures will have to be repaired. The damage done to Ukrainian society will, of course, be more difficult to repair. — Bitter Crank
what about my last question to you tho? — Changeling
But are they really losing if they're fighting against another corrupt putin-puppet being in charge of their country? — Changeling
Yes, well, if Ukraine was 80% mountains it would be a little more difficult to get those tanks through. — Baden
There is more adrenaline to fight hard for one's own land than to ruin someone else's. — Bitter Crank
Having about 7% of the population displaced to other countries is also no small thing,
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