I didn’t say you said anything about sacrificing truth, but you are willing to knowingly utter a falsity to preserve someone’s feelings, with little consideration to the feelings of others who identify as the opposite. I just think that behavior is less than ethical, more of a ploy to avoid confrontation than anything else. — NOS4A2
It's only when the trans person is your socioeconomic equal that the trans issue comes up. — baker
Most people who see someone dressed as a woman will call them a woman. — I like sushi
I didn’t say you said anything about sacrificing truth, but you are willing to knowingly utter a falsity to preserve someone’s feelings, with little consideration to the feelings of others who identify as the opposite. I just think that behavior is less than ethical, more of a ploy to avoid confrontation than anything else. — NOS4A2
Yes. A trans woman is referred to as her/she because it makes sense to say that not because I believe they are female nor would I say they are female. ‘Woman’ is not how we refer to people anymore than man is in general conversation other than to say that ‘woman’/‘man’. In such a situation, for clarification, I would say that trans woman.
It is really not that complicated.
To be honest, I really struggle in my (hypothetical, I really haven’t talked to a lot of them) arguments against TURFs (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists). — Paulm12
Interesting times — Banno
possible that the focus of feminist organisations will become less distinct — Banno
What the hell has economic status got to do with how you treat people? — I like sushi
I think people usually view the world through the lens of 'concepts'. Be it concept of science or concept of religion, etc. — stoicHoneyBadger
Is it possible that people act in the world without any concepts, but when they analyze their experiences, concepts enter as gears in the machinery of explanation? — frank
Me as well. Though I have a close friend who is Muslim and she can't fix her hijab in a shared bathroom space with men. So then the solution to this would be individual stalls with toilets, sinks, mirrors, etc. But this also has an economic impact as well.I have no issue with it either but many many people do have an issue with shared gender public toilets.
Where I am confused is you also sayYes. A trans woman is referred to as her/she because it makes sense to say that not because I believe they are female...‘Woman’ is not how we refer to people anymore than man is in general conversation other than to say that ‘woman’/‘man’.
In this case, from what I can see, you seem to be using women to mean something different in these two places. Do you mean for the term women's records/sports is actually (or referring to) female's or women who are not transwomen's records/sports? Or are you using the term woman out of politeness but depending on context can exclude trans women. To me, the complication is the use of the same word "woman" to mean "female + trans women" and "female but not trans women" in different places.if trans women competed in physical sports...[t]hey would break all the women’s records and rank high...Women’s sport dominated by trans women is not women’s sport
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