Cosmic inflation is no indirect evidence
— Haglund

I disagree. — T Clark

Your good right! If you want to take a fantasy as explanation, feel free!

Thesis: Gods created spacetime and particles.
Observation: There are particles and spacetime
Thesis proven

If an object is changing, that change must be measurable, then it belongs to the realm of science. May be it is not measurable just because we have not powerful enough instruments, but in that case it still belongs to science, if it is just a problem of powerful instruments. If it is not measurable because it belongs to a realm different from science, then how did you realize that it is changing?

In other words, the question that your message gives rise to is: what is then the difference between science and metaphysics?

In other words, the question that your message gives rise to is: what is then the difference between science and metaphysics? — Angelo Cannata

I don't see any relation between science and metaphysics. Or, science and aesthetics. Or, science and ethics.

Thesis: Gods created spacetime and particles.
Observation: There are particles and spacetime
Thesis proven — Haglund

No one is talking about God on this thread. At least not me. Metaphysics need not even address the issue of God existing or not existing.

Gods are the ultimate metaphysics. The MWI or eternal inflation fantasies pale in comparison, though gods are no fantasy, while eternal inflation and MWI are.

Gods are the ultimate metaphysics. The MWI or eternal inflation fantasies pale in comparison, though gods are no fantasy, while eternal inflation and MWI are. — Haglund

Not sure I understood. Your belief in God is true but physicists talking about a multiverse is fantasy?

Thesis: Gods created spacetime and particles.
Observation: There are particles and spacetime
Thesis proven — Haglund

• Cosmic Inflation is currently the scientific model that matches the cosmology we observe best.
• One of the consequences of Cosmic Inflation is the existence of multiple "universes" separate from our own.
• This provides indirect, not conclusive, evidence for the multiverse.

Almost. God is true, the models are a fantasy, explaining nothing about the nature of quantum mechanics or inflation. The are metaphysical fantasies to bridge a gap in knowledge which themselves are not knowledge with observable features. No one has seen a parallel world or eternally inflating space, which is a totally ridiculous assumption.

Almost. God is true, the models are a fantasy, explaining nothing about the nature of quantum mechanics or inflation. The are metaphysical fantasies to bridge a gap in knowledge which themselves are not knowledge with observable features. No one has seen a parallel world or eternally inflating space, which is a totally ridiculous assumption. — Haglund

Okay. I do not agree with anything you said.

I don't disagree with initial inflation. I disagree with the eternal variant.

Be my guest!

Okay. I do not agree with anything you said. — Jackson

Do you mean you have seen parallel worlds?

Do you mean you have seen parallel worlds? — Haglund

I never mentioned parallel worlds.

Didn't you cite Sean Carroll?

Didn't you cite Sean Carroll? — Haglund

Yes.

And that was in relation to the MWI?

And that was in relation to the MWI? — Haglund

Yes.

Well, aren't there parallel worlds in the MWI?

I don't disagree with initial inflation. I disagree with the eternal variant. — Haglund

It's not a question of what you and I agree with, it is what the current state of knowledge in cosmology indicates. Again, I'm not saying it's perfect, but it is evidence. Maybe you'll turn out to be right, but for now, it's reasonable for me use the current state of knowledge as evidence.

Well, aren't there parallel worlds in the MWI? — Haglund

Not that I am aware of.

I don't disagree with initial inflation. I disagree with the eternal variant. — Haglund

Also, it is my understanding that astronomers are currently looking for evidence of other universes associated with inflation.

Like I said, feel free what you think. There is no evidence that we are a pocket in an eternally inflating fantasy. If you are okay with that, knock yourself out!

Also, it is my understanding that astronomers are currently looking for evidence of other universes associated with inflation. — T Clark

I read that too. The popular press...

Not that I am aware of. — Jackson

There are even infinite many worlds in MWI. Right now you should be branching into a multitude of them.

There are even infinite many worlds in MWI. Right now you should be branching into a multitude of them. — Haglund

Okay.

So, can you prove they are there? No.

Like I said, feel free what you think. There is no evidence that we are a pocket in an eternally inflating fantasy. — Haglund

I have provided evidence. You haven't refuted it. You haven't even responded to the substance of my argument. Your only response is "That's fantasy." That's not an argument.

No need to respond. I'm done with this.

So, can you prove they are there? No. — Haglund

Prove what are there?

I have provided evidence. You haven't refuted it. You haven't even responded to the substance of my argument. Your only response is "That's fantasy." That's not an argument.

No need to respond. I'm done with this. — T Clark

Your assessment is accurate.

Prove what are there? — Jackson

The many worlds.