In other words, these characteristics are not really associated with women, but with humans in general. The fluidity of gender is being confused wth the fluidity of human behaviors and roles. The behaviors associated with sex is very narrow. In this sense, gender doesn't exist except as sexual stereotypes in one's mind. Sex is what is real.It means possessing characteristics associated with women, like the qualities mentioned earlier, but are not exclusive to women, and that is the point, that we can make a natural distinction between gender/sex. — praxis
Exactly. Show me the part of the brain of a man that claims to have the brain of a woman that controls the menstrual cycle.There are two responses I’ve heard to this. The first one is an appeal to neuropsychology, which argues that trans brains are more “similar” to the gender they are transitioning to. To me, this is unconvincing because neuropsychology is very poorly understood, so defining this “similarity” feels (to me) like cherry picking. At the end of the day, the brain is also a biological system, so once again if someone’s “brain biology” doesn’t match their “genital/chromosomal biology,” which is to win out in our definition of gender? — Paulm12
Yes, I've made this point before. Social constructions are agreements between two or more people about the expectations we have of each other. Transgenders are rejecting the social construction by not agreeing on the expectations we have of each other based on our sex. So is gender a social construction or a personal feeling? If gender is a social construction then gender fluidity is social fluidity meaning that for gender to change, society has to change. If it is a personal feeling then it is personal image fluidity and comes and goes at the whim of the individual. They simply can't agree on what it is so why are they so confused that others are so confused about what it is they are claiming?Another way of approaching this is to argue that gender expression itself has a neuropsychological basis. However, if gender is a social construct (as many feminists argue), why would there be a biological or neurobiological basis for gender expression? And if there is, wouldn’t this imply that there is a biological basis for gender (and gender stereotypes) different than how we define sex? — Paulm12
Since different cultures have different expectations of the sexes then transgenderism in different cultures means different things. In Scotland where some men wear skirts, is wearing pants in Scotland indicative that you identify as a woman? In cultures where men sport long hair and wear jewelry, is having your hair short and avoiding decorating yourself with gems indicative of your identity as a woman? If it depends on the culture you find yourself in then the differences aren't in the brains of men and women, but in the expectations of the various societies that exist and have existed.The second response is that there are trans people in many societies throughout history. “Transgender people are known to have existed since ancient times…However…the modern concept of being transgender, and gender in general, did not develop until the mid-1900s.” This is more convincing to differentiate it from people who claim they are trans racial or trans species. However this does not address the question of whether or not transgender-ism should be pathologized. One could also argue that people born without a limb have existed since ancient societies and even in animals. However this is still pathologized as abnormal. — Paulm12
Then a schizophrenics self-image is not a delusion or a hallucination either?No. You are interpreting a trans-person's self-image as a delusion. But, if so, your own self-image would also be a delusion. — Gnomon
Your use of the term, "error" is telling in that being born with features of both "genders" (don't you mean sex? The fact that you keep using gender to mean sex is quite telling as well) would be an error. The fact that 99.9% of humans don't have errors must mean something.No. That's irrelevant to what I said. Instead, the implication is that a fertilized egg is not predetermined as male or female. Instead, it is transformed into one gender or another during development. So, copying errors of DNA, or delays in adding certain hormones can result in a fetus with features of both genders. — Gnomon
<1% is not common.what's important for us to understand is that gender anomalies are fairly common. — Gnomon
Then gender is not an objective feature of the world as in the structure of brains, but an arbitrary, subjective characteristic of societies that varies over time and space.Unfortunately, political laws do try to define gender. — Gnomon
gender doesn't exist except as sexual stereotypes in one's mind. Sex is what is real. — Harry Hindu
Feminine does not mean female any more than masculine means male.
What is it that really defines a man or woman, the question seems to be. Sex alone doesn’t seem to cut it, particularly in less liberal perspectives. For instance, if a man were to act too feminine in a very macho culture they may not be considered a man and it wouldn’t be at all unusual for them to be told directly that they’re “not a man.”
Colours, tables, houses … the list goes on.
But the point was that it is an old term (like ‘race’) that has morphed into some other meaning depending on context.
To me, the complication is the use of the same word "woman" to mean "female + trans women" and "female but not trans women" in different places. — Paulm12
I say sex is all that is necessary. But lets entertain your idea that sex is not the only thing that defines what a man and woman are. Is sex is a necessary part - meaning that ones physiology is a necessary part of being a man or a woman along with whatever other characteristics you wish to add. Can one be a man or woman without the proper physiology?What is it that really defines a man or woman, the question seems to be. Sex alone doesn’t seem to cut it, particularly in less liberal perspectives. — praxis
This what is called a figure of speech.For instance, if a man were to act too feminine in a very macho culture they may not be considered a man and it wouldn’t be at all unusual for them to be told directly that they’re “not a man.” — praxis
For instance, if a man were to act too feminine in a very macho culture they may not be considered a man and it wouldn’t be at all unusual for them to be told directly that they’re “not a man.”
— praxis
This what is called a figure of speech. — Harry Hindu
Also, this is implying that what makes one a man or a woman is society or others' view of you, not yourself based on your personal feelings. — Harry Hindu
Again, you are using a prejudicial comparison to implicitly label the trans-person as insane. I don't personally know any trannies, yet “gender dysphoria” is not considered to be a medical condition. Instead, it's an emotional distress, due to a conflict between self-image & social labels. Their "mental" problem is similar to other marginalized people, who are bullied in school and online.Then a schizophrenics self-image is not a delusion or a hallucination either? — Harry Hindu
You didn't read the definition:Figures of speech convey meaning, and in this case, what it means to be a man. — praxis
And we can work that out if the other person isn't insistent that their view is the only right view, hence my questions to you that you avoided answering.It implies that our own view and the view of others may not align or be in agreement. — praxis
No. I have pointed out the similarities between a trans-person's claims and the claims of others diagnosed with delusional disorders. You have yet to make any argument against that and instead are insisting on throwing about thinly veiled ad hominems and pleading to authority.Again, you are using a prejudicial comparison to implicitly label the trans-person as insane. I don't personally know any trannies, yet “gender dysphoria” is not considered to be a medical condition. Instead, it's an emotional distress, due to a conflict between self-image & social labels. Their "mental" problem is similar to other marginalized people, who are bullied in school and online. — Gnomon
Logical thinking.I don't know where you get your information, — Gnomon
You didn't read the definition:
Figure of speech: a word or phrase used in a non-literal sense for rhetorical or vivid effect. — Harry Hindu
And we can work that out if the other person isn't insistent that their view is the only right view, hence my questions to you that you avoided answering. — Harry Hindu
Only fucking words? What about non-fucking words?Oh I read it alright. Perhaps you will be kind enough to read my definition:
Meaning: what is meant by a fucking word, text, concept, or action! — praxis
To get a library card? I think it has more to do with the author(s) of the application are simply virtue signaling.So guess the statistics they want to know is about how many don't think the sex at birth doesn't represent them, have had a sex change or something. — ssu
purposely obtuse — Harry Hindu
Technically they ask for both.By the question on the application, according to you, asks for the gender, not the sex. — jamalrob
I don't know what the objective is, but this kind of virtue signalling is beyond me.To get a library card? I think it has more to do with the author(s) of the application are simply virtue signaling. — Harry Hindu
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