Key word: allegedly.
— Olivier5
Sure. — Isaac
Now that's collboration — Baden
Paypal is like a bank, and you can't force a bank to fund your operation if they don't like it. — Olivier5
Now that's collboration, baby. — Baden
It (Russia) has both turned a blind eye to far-right paramilitarism within its own borders and actively cultivated neo-Nazism in the West. These decisions align with its broader project to sow discord in Western democracies and influence transcontinental relations, despite its relatively weak military and economy. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s support for right-wing violence in the West constitutes an element in his broader destabilization campaign.
Since the beginning of Russia's attack on Ukraine, an aggressive campaign of trolling under the sign "Cyber Front Z" — referring to the war — has been ongoing. These so-called troll factories — which target Western leaders, media and social media — have been operating in Russia for years.
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Since Russia's invasion of Ukraine on 24 February, ordinary Russian internet users have also been recruited for trolling operations — such as online shaming.
The trolling efforts also attempt to fill the social media feeds of targeted users with disinformation. Another preferred method is "brigading", steering discussion on social media and in comments sections towards Kremlin-favoured opinions.
Your issue is trying to throw mud at Sweden and Finland — Baden
to convince Americans that these people joining NATO are scum, closet nazis, and not worth wile to defend. — ssu
1. First you said that Russia’s nuclear arsenal is a threat. But all nuclear arsenals are a potential threat, including those of America, Britain, and France. — Apollodorus
2. Then you said that Russia is a threat and/or Putin invaded Ukraine because of my “propaganda”, which sounds pretty incomprehensible and irrational to me. — Apollodorus
3. The quotes you posted do not show that the US regards Russia as an imminent nuclear threat. Statements like “if someone does x, we’re going to do y”, do not support your claim. — Apollodorus
4. And now you’re saying that “Nobody is going to wait for Putin to make the first move on this”. If that is the case, why are you waiting???!!! :rofl: — Apollodorus
Propaganda in the United States is spread by both government and media entities. Propaganda is carefully curated information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread, usually to preserve the self-interest of a nation. It is used in advertising, radio, newspaper, posters, books, television and other media. Propagandists may provide either factual or non-factual information to their audiences, often emphasizing positive features and downplaying negative ones, or vice versa, in order to shape wide scale public opinion or influence behavioral changes …
Psychological operations (PSYOP) are operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.
The purpose of United States psychological operations is to induce or reinforce behavior perceived to be favorable to U.S. objectives. They are an important part of the range of diplomatic, informational, military and economic activities available to the U.S. They can be utilized during both peacetime and conflict.
Misleading posts have come from "official" sources as well as from "ordinary" social media users.
One example was a tweet posted by the verified account of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence.
Footage of an aerial dogfight is accompanied by the caption "MiG-29 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces destroys the 'unparalleled' Su-35 of the Russian occupiers".
However, it's video game footage from the game Digital Combat Simulator World. This isn't the first time that game footage has been used to illustrate military action.
One clip of old and incorrectly labelled footage has been viewed over 18 million times on video-sharing platform TikTok ….
What I said was more articulated — neomac
On August 6, 1945, a uranium-based weapon, Little Boy, was detonated above the Japanese city of Hiroshima, and three days later, a plutonium-based weapon, Fat Man, was detonated above the Japanese city of Nagasaki. To date, Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain the only two instances of nuclear weapons being used in combat. The atomic raids killed at least one hundred thousand Japanese civilians and military personnel outright, with the heat, radiation, and blast effects. Many tens of thousands would later die of radiation sickness and related cancers
And if you think I haven't been critical of NATO, you haven't been reading the thread. — Baden
A strawman argument from you. The role of the US is obvious in NATO. One can arguably be critical of the actions that NATO has taken, especially with the Kosovo war and Libya. At least I was. What sucks in my mind is when NATO hasn't been in the role of a defense pact, but has tried out in it's a "new" NATO role (that even Trump pushed) where it has to counter "new threats" and act in other roles than in just as a defensive treaty. This "new NATO" thinking made a lot of Finns be critical about the organization. Which at those times before the Russian-Georgian war, had no plans to defend the Baltic States. I guess during those times if Finland would have joined, it would have been urged to do away with it's area defence and conscription, and opt to build it's armed forces to be better suited for international operations. Luckily that time has passed.Nice Freudian slip. I thought NATO was totally independent and not at all America's lapdog. So what good would it do convincing "Americans" that Sweden and Finland are not worth defending? — Isaac
They are reurgitating the same message, but now it has grown old. Now there's no strategic surprise, it all can be anticipated and people do understand how the playbook goes.Are the Russian trolls and apologists really this desperate to push their agenda? :shade: — Christoffer
This is the stupidity typical to our time. It's the absurdity of someone declaring himself to be against imperialism and then denying the obvious imperialism of one side and solely concentrating on the other side, as we can see in this thread. The inability to be critical about both sides when they deserve it is telling.I think the main problem is that it's impossible for some to criticize Nato AND condemn Russia. For me, I despise Russia, want Sweden and Finland to join Nato, and at the same time criticize Nato for past conduct. — Christoffer
The inability to be critical about both sides when they deserve it is telling. — ssu
I think the main problem is that it's impossible for some to criticize Nato AND condemn Russia. — Christoffer
When it comes to international operations, especially the so-called "peace enforcing" operations, there is much to criticize.A lynchpin of the argument exculpating NATO is that it is merely a defensive organisation with no significant role in America's imperialistic agenda. I was merely pointing out that even you don't believe that, it's just a convenient narrative in your continued efforts to ensure discussion of America's culpability is sufficiently diluted as to be rendered useless. — Isaac
I think a military organization ought to stick to it's founding rules: that NATO is a) a pact where the members won't use military force against each other and b) have a common defense... When NATO has ventured off from this, as it has done, starts the criticism. — ssu
What do you got to lose if you say the truth? — Olivier5
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