It's quite simple. Insofar as men are 100% responsible for all pregnancies, if a woman falls pregnant and carries to term, the man takes 100% responsibility for the child.
The abortion debate would stop tomorrow. — Streetlight
By not being able to impregnate women, well, unless they plan to, with them.
Problem solved, no more abortions. — jorndoe
Insofar as men are 100% responsible for all pregnancies... — Streetlight
Sounds like abdication of responsibility to me. — Streetlight
It's quite simple. Insofar as men are 100% responsible for all pregnancies, if a woman falls pregnant and carries to term, the man takes 100% responsibility for the child.
The abortion debate would stop tomorrow. — Streetlight
By not being able to impregnate women, well, unless they plan to, with them.
Problem solved, no more abortions. :up: — jorndoe
Any conversation that doesn't involve simply putting a women in charge of her own body is not to be taken seriously. — Streetlight
In my view, people are going to have sex no matter what. — Paulm12
How is the right to privacy grounds for right to abortion? — Agent Smith
The justices solidly reaffirmed that core right in 1992, reinforcing the principle that states could not interfere with a woman's ability to obtain an abortion before a fetus could survive out the womb, at about 23 weeks. Even justices who had criticized Roe said it was important to adhere to the precedent, for institutional reasons and because, quite simply, Americans had come to rely on it. — CNN
Our findings show that more babies now survive being born too soon than ever before, which is testament to the highly-skilled and dedicated staff in our neonatal services. — Professor Neil Marlow, an MRC-funded academic at University College Londons Institute for Womens Health and a co-author of both papers
Most interesting. — Ms. Marple
If at some future point, it becomes possible to artificially gestate a zygote, then abortions will be obsolete if the pro-lifers are willing to pay for the gestation service (can't be cheap), and to divide up the resulting children among themselves to be raised.I can sense a trend here: The gestational age at which fetuses can survive outside the womb has decreased over the past century or so and is decreasing in step with advances in (bio)technology. It appears that a time will come when even a zygote will be viable ex-utero. What then? Abortion would immediately have to be made illegal, oui? — Agent Smith
:up:Any conversation that doesn't involve simply putting a women in charge of her own body is not to be taken seriously. — Streetlight
I'm sympathetic to your view, but it sounds almost like a conspiracy theory. I'd say it's about power: Republicans latched onto the Jerry Falwell inspired "pro-life" movement because it was low hanging fruit for a large block of voters, and it conflicts with none of their principles (few as they are). It's been a successful strategy.Pro-lifers are also pro-voter suppression (and pro-death penalty). Why? It's all about demographic control. — 180 Proof
It appears that a time will come when even a zygote will be viable ex-utero. What then? Abortion would immediately have to be made illegal, oui? — Agent Smith
That sounds reasonable.The imminent overturning of Roe v. Wade is only one component in the culmination of this, IMO, 50-60 year long reactionary, ethno-nationalist movement. — 180 Proof
If at some future point, it becomes possible to artificially gestate a zygote, then abortions will be obsolete if the pro-lifers are willing to pay for the gestation service (can't be cheap), and to divide up the resulting children among themselves to be raised.
I'm alluding to a general problem I have with many pro-lifers: it's easy express moral outrage at abortion, while shrugging off the fact that the alternative has life-altering consequences for the mother who gives birth ("that's their problem, but I'll pray for them"). — Relativist
Pro-lifers are also pro-voter suppression (and pro-death penalty). Why? It's all about demographic control. Reproductive freedom is more deliberately exercised in the US more by White working / middle class women than non-white women and contributes to accelerating America's looming so-called "demographic crisis" The "evangelical" pro-life movement, IMHO, always has been about "the good lord's" work of Making Apartheid Great Again. :shade:
Four pro-life SC Justices, appointed by 2 GOP Presidents who both lost the popular vote in their respective elections (one starting two unpaid-for, fraudelent, failed wars of opportunity and the other Impeached twice while in the pocket of Russia & Saudi Arabia), form the basis for a judicial cabal (on the verge of) stripping citizens of established Constitutional Rights (i.e. protections) for the first time in US history, aided and abetted by a fifth pro-insurrectionist joke-of-a-Justice. — 180 Proof
I don't think so, pregnancy will then be obsolete. The only babies being produced will then be designer (GM) babies. Human abortion will be enforced by the newly derived species, resulting in the extinction of the human species — Metaphysician Undercover
(7) "Person" includes a human being from the moment of fertilizationand implantationand also includes a body of persons, whether incorporated or not.
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(11) "Unborn child" meansanyan individualof thehumanspeciesbeing from fertilizationand implantationuntil birth
(2) This state and its political subdivisions, and agents thereof, may disregard any part or whole of any federal court decision which purports to enjoin or void any provision of this Section.
F. Pursuant to the powers granted to the Legislature by Article X, Part III, of the Constitution of Louisiana, any judge of this state who purports to enjoin, stay, overrule, or void any provision of this Section shall be subject to impeachment or removal.
How normal is this? — Michael
I did look through the bill, and it even includes provisions stating the Supreme Court precedent should not be considered. — Hanover
Without limiting prosecutorial discretion, this state and all political subdivisions of this state shall enforce the provisions of this Subpart without regard to the opinions and judgments of the Supreme Court of the United States in Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113(1973), and its judicial progeny, past and future...
From what little I've read, unless they can somehow use the Commerce Clause as a justification, any federal law will be declared a violation of State rights. — Michael
Women with money will be able to travel to the states to obtain abortions, poor women will not. — Relativist
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