I don’t there is a conceptual niche for ‘the unmanifest, unmade, unnamed’ in modern thought. — Wayfarer
This line made me curious to ask if you've had a look at Religion and Nothingness by Nishitani, hailing from the Kyoto school. — ZzzoneiroCosm
The TTC is about reality before concepts. If it is put into words, it's no longer the Tao. The Tao is unspeakable. — T Clark
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things. — T Clark
For Watt now found himself in the midst of things which, if they consented to be named, did so as it were with reluctance. And the state in which Watt found himself resisted formulation in a way no state had ever done, in which Watt had ever found himself, and Watt had found himself in a great many states, in his day. Looking at a pot, for example, or thinking of a pot, at one of Mr. Knott's pots, it was in vain that Watt said, Pot, pot. Well, perhaps not quite in vain, but very nearly. For it was not a pot, the more he looked, the more he reflected, the more he felt sure of that, that it was not a pot at all. It resembled a pot, it was almost a pot, but it was not a pot of which one could say, Pot, pot, and be comforted. It was in vain that it answered, with unexceptionable adequacy, all the purposes, and performed all the offices, of a pot, it was not a pot. And it was just this hairbreadth departure from the nature of a true pot that so excruciated Watt. — Beckett - Watt, p.232
And even though the next country is so close
that people can hear its roosters crowing and its dogs barking,
they are content to die of old age
without ever having gone to see it. — T Clark
Therefore the Master
acts without doing anything — T Clark
Practice not-doing,
and everything will fall into place. — T Clark
I do not know whose child it is... — T Clark
This line was always a favorite. It seems to have some link to Pascal's: "All of humanity's problems stem from his inability to sit quietly in a room alone." — ZzzoneiroCosm
Therefore the Master
acts without doing anything
— T Clark
This I connect to the notion of a flexible, flowing self-confidence. For example, 20 years ago I would often schedule my daily and weekly tasks to be sure all were completed in a timely fashion. Whereas today (I'm 46, for reference) my attitude is: this will happen; just wait and see it happen. — ZzzoneiroCosm
A lot of spiritual emotion in that line. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Have you had the experience of spontaneous action arising from within without forethought or intention? Maybe when you're being most creative. I certainly have. Action arising from your true self. The subject shows up time after time in many verses. — T Clark
I do not know whose child it is,
It is an image of what precedes God. — T Clark
Would you call this a "flow" state? — ZzzoneiroCosm
Yes, that. — ZzzoneiroCosm
It is not possible for man to understand God - God understands God. Man is God and therefore understands God. I am God. I am a man. I have flesh, I am flesh, I am not descended from flesh. Flesh is created by God. I am God. I am God. I am God. — Nijinsky's Diary
The connection to desire is most puzzling to me. As I said above: I take desire to be at the heart of inspiration and inspiration to be at the heart of a life fully lived. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Are you familiar with the four Noble Truths of Buddhism? Forgive my summary: — T Clark
Energy is eternal Delight. — Blake
Suffering is caused by desire, craving, attachment — T Clark
As it reads, I just can't agree. If "desire" is qualified so as not to exclude the utilization of desire to ignite inspiration, I would be more sympathetic. I have too much firsthand experience of the profound energic outcomes of intense desire. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Any more insight into the issue of desire is welcome. I'm enjoying the exchange. — ZzzoneiroCosm
you are disagreeing with Lao Tzu — T Clark
If Tanha only includes these few sorts of desires, no problem, I (mostly) get it. — ZzzoneiroCosm
I appreciate your work. — ZzzoneiroCosm
You can say the Jesus Prayer from now till doomsday, but if you don't realize that the only thing that counts in the religious life is detachment, I don't see how you ever move an inch. Detachment, buddy, and only detachment. Desirelessness. 'Cessations from all hankerings.' It's this business of desiring, if you want to know the goddam truth, that makes an actor in the first place. Why're you making me tell you things you already know? Somewhere along the line - in one damn incarnation or another, if you like - you not only had a hankering to be an actor or an actress but to be a good one. You're stuck with it now. You can't just walk out on the results of your own hankerings. Cause and effect, buddy, cause and effect. The only thing you can do now, the only religious thing you can do, is act. Act for God, if you want to - be God's actress, if you want to. What could be prettier? — Salinger
Here's the passage from Franny and Zooey. — ZzzoneiroCosm
As it reads, I just can't agree. If "desire" is qualified so as not to exclude the utilization of desire to ignite inspiration, I would be more sympathetic. I have too much firsthand experience of the profound energic outcomes of intense desire. — ZzzoneiroCosm
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