I would be able to objectively analyze the subjective aspects of my own consciousness. — Agent Smith
Doesn't that mean we can gain insight into the subjective/first-person aspects of conscious using science? — Agent Smith
:smirk:Philosophers tend to conflate intelligence and consciousness.
As though a chess grandmaster is more conscious than a waiter. The usual class bias! — unenlightened
You mean, you didn't read what I reported Penfield to have said? — Wayfarer
It's all speculation and I'm getting the VERY REAL sense that most of the members here are firm in their belief that it's literally impossible that science might provide a solution to the "Hard Problem" of consciousness. — GLEN willows
Can digital computation produce consciousness? No, because digital computation is an observer-dependent phenomenon, while consciousness is observer-independent. — Daemon
I don't think consciousness is an ‘it’, some special facility that some living things happen to have produced. Instead , the basis of consciousness is present in even single-celled organisms, and I strongly believe that this is a continuum that can be even be traced from
the non-living to the living. — Joshs
I don't know what that means
:up: — Agent Smith
Computation therefore cannot cause consciousness. To think so is to make a category error. — Daemon
Computation as we know it or as we presently define it -- the mechanical stacking of 0's and 1's — Olivier5
A capacity for infinite self-reflecting loops. It need to be conscious of itself but also be conscious of the world and of being at the world, and conscious also of what it means (roughly) to be conscious, i.e. be consciously conscious. And be conscious of being consciously conscious. And conscious that others around it (them humans) are conscious, etc. etc. — Olivier5
Because there is a split between the process and the program directing it. Of course the program evolves freely when set in motion, but the process it directs is programmed and thus not free. It depends on the program inserted by us. — Hillary
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