Then it’s their stupidity that led them to do it, not the words of someone else.

Then it’s their stupidity that led them to do it, not the words of someone else. — NOS4A2

That is legally not quite sound. If I persuade someone to kill another human being I am held accountable for instigation, or maybe conspiracy. Words do things NOS we know that since Austin...

Slavery was once legally sound. Philosophically, it’s magical thinking. Speaking cause little more than the movement of air. Speech is an act but words are not actors.

Then it’s their stupidity that led them to do it, not the words of someone else. — NOS4A2

Hm, not sure why you don't want to hold your opponents accountable. )

For what?

Shooting a gun causes little more than moving a piece of lead... I do not see how that is relevant. Speech is an act, words are not actors and neither are bullets. Those who shoot the bullets are actors and those who speak the words are too. And yes, words can sometimes instigate crimes. Your view is slightly outlandish, though I like the bravado with which you present it. Anyway, take care all.

Inducing unhealthy behavior, be it shooting someone or a child getting chemically castrated, etc.

Bullets can tear through a person’s body. Shooting someone is justifiably a criminal act. Words possess no such force, have zero connection to another’s actions, and thus speaking cannot be justified as criminal act. I think your view is magical thinking.

Anyways, have a good one. Be free.

I appreciate free speech too much to punish someone for speaking.

That's why republicans seem to be losing.

Good. Repubs are equally as evil, in my mind.

I would say not as much, at least they are not transing kids and such.

Words possess no such force, have zero connection to another’s actions, and thus speaking cannot be justified as criminal act. — NOS4A2

So uh, an officer ordering the killing of civilians or prisoners of war isn't a war crime?

One should remember that behind every eccentricity of our time there are those actual and obvious crimes that have happened and should be obvious to everybody, the events to what referred to. Perhaps those kinds of accusations (like hate speech) are just hurled at people at the present toxic debate environment, but that doesn't change the actual real crimes of incitement.

They are crimes according to some species of legalism, but they wouldn’t be if people refused to do what they were ordered. So despite the legal theories the fact remains: whether people obey or disobey an order is not determined by the words.

Trump spoke to a crowd wearing military body armor that it was time to march on the Capitol.
Legal prosecution will show he was planning this.

They are crimes according to some species of legalism, but they wouldn’t be if people refused to do what they were ordered. So despite the legal theories the fact remains: whether people obey or disobey an order is not determined by the words. — NOS4A2

People will obey some words but not others, so obedience is certainly partly determined by the words.

Bullets can tear through a person’s body. Shooting someone is justifiably a criminal act. Words possess no such force, have zero connection to another’s actions, and thus speaking cannot be justified as criminal act. I think your view is magical thinking. — NOS4A2

I'm sympathetic to your position, but it's false to claim that one person's words have zero connection to another's actions.

I would say not as much, at least they are not transing kids and such. — M777

Are people transing kids?!? Who has been teaching you about the world?

What is the connection?

I occasionally come across people who are still devoted to Trump. Many of them are otherwise intelligent people. I haven't asked any of them for an explanation.

What is the connection? — NOS4A2

Words/information cause reactions. That's why advertising works.

I'm sympathetic to your position, but it's false to claim that one person's words have zero connection to another's actions. — Relativist

What is the connection? — NOS4A2

Read Edward Bernays (the father of public relations) and Ernest Dichter (the father of motivational research) if you think subtle powerful subliminal words only work on the dumb. They work on us all.

If the left aren't for transing kids, why such squealing about the Florida's 'wait til 8' bill?

Trump just needs some training and he'll do well! :snicker:

What is the content of that bill? Waiting until 8th grade or something before talking about homosexuality? Well, that is simple, because it arbitrarily stigmatizes one kind of sexual identity. Not wanting to discriminate against being gay does not mean you want to make children transsexual. If I am against a bill that would state that we do not discuss dog ownership until 8th grade, do I actively want to put dogs in every household? Of course not.

Words/information cause reactions. That's why advertising works.

I don’t go out and buy something whenever I see an advertisement for it.

I don’t go out and buy something whenever I see an advertisement for it. — NOS4A2

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. — Keyser Söze

I don’t go out and buy something whenever I see an advertisement for it. — NOS4A2

"The reason that [people] think advertising doesn't "work" is that they think advertisements are trying to make them do something immediately."

Why Good Advertising Works (Even When You Think It Doesn't)

Remember when it was the parent’s job to teach their children about sexuality?

Oh yes, those were the times! :halo: