The western Putinistas are a small minority in most countries, tho a vocal one. — Olivier5
you are not allowed to do so — Olivier5
when it's legal, then it's immoral. — Olivier5
Indeed.Yes, it has a very long, ugly history, curiously supporting the more radical elements of Islam, which often coincide (not always) with Western economic and military interests.
Nevertheless, that's a topic deserving of its own thread. — Manuel
'Empire', 'domination'... Rhetorical drivel. — creativesoul
I don't think it's even possible to have a modern day war, without committing war crimes. It comes with the territory. — Manuel
The zones of influence assigned to each government shall be as follows: The English zone: The Cossack territories, the territory of the Caucasus, Armenia, Georgia, Kurdistan. The French zone: Bessarabia, the Ukraine, the Crimea … ‘
From this article (given above), just to make a comment for others.In lieu of that, here is one single discussion among millions of others:
https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukraine-to-fight-russia?s=r
Worth noting, that, contrary to the story-tale that Ukraine 'chose' to deal with the West, the West couped Ukraine exactly at the time at which it choose to stop dealing with the West, as outlined in the article. — Streetlight
End of story.Putin has carried out a major escalation of a conflict that has raged for eight years, at the cost of more than 14,000 lives. It began with a US-backed, far-right-led 2014 coup that ousted Ukraine’s democratically elected government in Kiev. In its place came a regime chosen not by the Ukrainian people, but by Washington.
That's all we need to know, I guess.Literally every US decision or policy has a hidden agenda and dishonest means. — Streetlight
It's all just about how bad the US is and nothing else. US is bad and everything evolves around the US and hence the US is at fault in everything. — ssu
That Ukrainians have shown their anger also in the election booth and demanded change in elections should be noted, but isn't. And of course there have been many administrations and elections since then and that now there is in charge in Ukraine a totally new political party that wasn't even around in 2014 doesn't matter at all. Nope, once you get the nazi card, you have the nazi card and people will use it at anything how ever long they want. — ssu
Ukraine is sinking into a chaos of uncontrolled violence posed by radical groups and their total impunity. Practically no one in the country can feel safe under these conditions — Amnesty
a veneer of patriotism and traditional values were allowed to operate under an atmosphere of near total impunity that cannot but embolden these groups to commit more attacks.
Far-right impunity...represents a dangerous threat to Ukraine’s statehood.
Indeed without these elections I would talk about a coup too and Ukraine would be obviously quite undemocratic, as portrayed in the article. — ssu
Literally no one is saying this, and the only people keen to force a choice between waving one flag or the other - as if this were a soccer match - are people who cannot stand to see their "team" being spoken badly of. — Streetlight
Literally every US decision or policy has a hidden agenda and dishonest means. — Streetlight
Literally every US decision or policy has a hidden agenda and dishonest means. — Streetlight
waving the "US is bad" flag. — ssu
Yes.The US government has a terrible history. Terrible. You acknowledge this. — Xtrix
I’m still not seeing where the major disagreement lies. — Xtrix
Compared to the Maoist China of the Great Leap / Culture Revolution or the Russia of Stalin's Soviet Union, both countries have improved a lot! Even in the current configuration.No one says "China has a bad history" or "Russia has a bad history". They simply say "China fucking sucks" and "Russia fucking sucks". — Streetlight
Ask yourself. How much in the thread is following issues being debated: — ssu
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