I think you are splitting hairs. Do you believe the words you typed above are correct? — universeness
Do you disagree with these definitions, and, if you do disagree, what do you instead recommend? — javra
Indeed, but only after already having a belief system intact. Suspending one's judgment is a metacognitive endeavor. Metacognition is existentially dependent upon pre-existing belief. — creativesoul
"Anything that is not known but seems reasonable can be accepted and entertained provisionally for pragmatic reasons;" is what it means to believe anything. All you've done is show that you can't escape believing anything. — Harry Hindu
Believing something is "holding it to be true". That is not what I'm talking about; I'm talking about entertaining the idea that seem most plausible, not holding ideas to be true. — Janus
“Most plausible” to me signifies “most likely to be real or conformant to reality”; to deem X most plausible is hence to provisionally accept X’s reality, thereby constituting a belief. — javra
While it may not have been the best example I could have offered, you’re still overlooking a key ingredient that was stipulated from the beginning: lack of knowledge. You do not know what caused the movement in the dark corner. You haven’t clearly seen anything but a movement; you haven’t seen a small animal, never mind seeing a rat. But you’re mind inferentially predicts that the movement might either have been caused by wind-blown leaves or by a small animal (but not both). Which one is real is to you not known, and hence not a psychological certainty. — javra
common to all three types of belief is some variant of “the attribution of reality to”. — javra
To put it another way, I don't see it as having anything to do with "reality"; I think that term is altogether too overblown. "The most plausible" is just what seems to be the best explanation; the one that fits best within a general network of perspectives that I find explanatorily workable. — Janus
I guess the example is unclear because it lacks specificity. The unknown critter is referred to as both an experience-based prediction and also an inference. — praxis
I don’t get how experience-based predictions can be anything other than inferences based on some experience. — javra
(To my fallibilist mind, the alternative is to hold all beliefs to at the end of the day be fallible, and thereby remain open to revising them if evidence or reasoning gives warrant to so doing.) — javra
What is the difference between you knowing something and the way something seems to you?I know that is the way things seem to me; there is no belief involved. — Janus
I told you that that fucking word - "believe" is tricky as hell. — Ken Edwards
What is the difference between you knowing something and the way something seems to you?
What is the difference between the way things seem to you and you having a delusion or hallucination?
What terms can we use to refer to the way things seem to you and the way things are? Belief and Reality.
What is the difference between belief and knowledge? Belief is when you only have an observation OR reason to support a particular view. Knowledge is when you have both observation AND reason to support a particular view. — Harry Hindu
Best explanation for what if not for what is real or else what is really the case? — javra
We can differentiate between some statement being true, and our believing that it is true. This is a commonplace; it's a distinction worth making because it allows us to on occasions to be wrong - ...What this shows is that we need the notion of "belief" in order to make a basic distinction between what we think is true and what is actually true. — Banno
We know countless things like "Paris is the capital of France", — Janus
Too vague. What do you mean, "actual lives"? There are many that seem to spend much of their "actual lives" on these forums expressing doubt in "radical" ways. We have experienced what it's like in holding a particular view only to find it was wrong, and this happens during our "actual lives". These types of "actual life" experiences are what cause us to question everything we know. So, I don't see a distinction you're making between radical and ordinary doubt. Doubt is doubt. It's just that we can doubt different things with different degrees. Questioning our purpose and whether we know anything is just like any other doubt. It's just that questioning foundational knowledge brings everything that was built on that foundation into doubt as well.There are two kinds of doubt: ordinary doubt and radical doubt. When it comes to taking the perspective of radical doubt, pretty much anything can be doubted, which means we don't know anything, or at least we don't know that we know anything. But that kind of artificial doubt is abstract and has nothing to do with our actual lives. — Janus
I don't see how this is any different than the way I explained the differences between belief and knowledge. When others disagree with your view does that not instill doubt in your views? I know that it makes me want to understand the reason for their disagreement and whether or not it is a valid disagreement.That's the way I see things, and it seems to be consistent and to work for me. I don't require or expect anyone to agree with my view. — Janus
but then some beliefs....I might suggest here that "Believe" is a verb and is a frequent activity or an action of human brain cells. — Ken Edwards
I carefully avoid believing anything at all. — Ken Edwards
Believing half truths or carefully concocted lies kills thousands of people here and now every single day. — Ken Edwards
Believing carefully concealed lies and partial truths killed millions of people in both world wars. — Ken Edwards
Once, long ago, those words were believed my millions. Evil words, sinful words. Death words. — Ken Edwards
There is the more nuanced observation that the capital of France is 'F,' personal interpretation can always offer a different perspective. — universeness
Too vague. What do you mean, "actual lives"? There are many that seem to spend much of their "actual lives" on these forums expressing doubt in "radical" ways. — Harry Hindu
— Janus
I don't see how this is any different than the way I explained the differences between belief and knowledge. When others disagree with your view does that not instill doubt in your views? — Harry Hindu
What this shows is that we need the notion of "belief" in order to make a basic distinction between what we think is true and what is actually true. — Banno
...required... — praxis
I thought your response to the OP was a good summary of why it's mistaken, — Isaac
I am as baffled by the "I don't believe anything" species of epistemology as I am by the "I assess everything rationally and derive thus the 'truest' facts". — Isaac
Which could lead to all sorts of poor heuristics. We don't really have a quality like doubt. We engage in an activity of doubting. So, how often? on what grounds? in what way? what should trigger this activity? did the person who came up with that as a virtue doubt their conclusion? how much? how often?I suppose that historically the idea that we ought not believe anything derives from the notion that doubt is a virtue. — Banno
The next step us to map out the relations between truth, belief, certainty and faith. — Banno
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