There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. — The Architect
I believe no mans's word, ever. — Ken Edwards
Note the ought not? This is supposedly a moral position, as can be seen in the OP. Hence such discussions are fraught with over-reaction. — Banno
I know that is the way things seem to me; there is no belief involved. — Janus
As I pointed out in my previous post, there are instances in our actual lives where we have discovered that what we thought we knew was wrong. So it seems to me that there is no knowledge involved, only beliefs.In that case you'll agree with me that it is better not to speak of believing things about which there can be no serious doubt, but of knowing them, and you'll also agree with me that when it comes to things we don't know, there is a distinction between adopting and holding one of the alternatives and declaring it to be the truth, and remaining undecided or provisionally adopting what seems most plausible, and seeing how it pans out. — Janus
Faith is unwarranted belief. — Banno
It's [explicit expression of belief] not required. Not sure why that is relevant. — Banno
It is the case that Bob believed the keys were in his pocket, yet his belief was false. — Banno
It's [explicit expression of belief] not required. Not sure why that is relevant.
— Banno
It's relevant because shared belief is the heart of the OP and the reason we're discussing this. — praxis
It is the case that Bob believed the keys were in his pocket, yet his belief was false.
— Banno
Is it a matter of belief or was he simply misremembering their location? — praxis
I think that my car keys are currently in the car but I'm not sure. I accept and entertain that's where they are provisionally for pragmatic reasons; no believing needed. — praxis
As I pointed out in my previous post, there are instances in our actual lives where we have discovered that what we thought we knew was wrong. So it seems to me that there is no knowledge involved, only beliefs. — Harry Hindu
We fail when we believe too much, for then we believe things that are not true. We fail when we believe too little, for then we may miss what may be important.
There is a place of balance between credulity and skepticism. — Banno
We fail when we believe too much, for then we believe things that are not true. We fail when we believe too little, for then we may miss what may be important.
There is a place of balance between credulity and skepticism. — Banno
I have thousands of beliefs. Most of them are intuitional but unfortunately
I can not express any of them to you because this correspondence is purely verbal.
I am interested in your knowing or perhaps feeling that I can't change certain beliefs. Perhaps I can. Try me out. Could you please phrase one or two of them for me to tackle?
Thank you in advance. — Ken Edwards
So, for example I provisionally accept tectonic plate theory, which means that I acknowledge that it might turn out to be false, but I certainly don't believe it is true. — Janus
That's just wordplay - All it says is that anything that is not known but seems reasonable can be believed provisionally for pragmatic reasons. — Banno
Meh.
And it is not the same as "There is a place of balance between credulity and skepticism". — Banno
overwhelming evidence to the contrary — Banno
This is supposed by some to be a virtue. It isn't. — Banno
The thing is that they don't consider them as "evidence". — dimosthenis9
That's just wordplay - All it says is that anything that is not known but seems reasonable can be believed provisionally for pragmatic reasons.
— Banno
That means that we are forced to hold all reasonable unknowns to be true. That we are forced to feel confident in them. That doesn't make sense. — praxis
If you told me that you're wearing a green shirt I would certainly accept and entertain your claim. There would be nothing unreasonable about it. I would not hold it to be true, however. — praxis
Were is this ballance then? — praxis
That's just wordplay - All it says is that anything that is not known but seems reasonable can be believed provisionally for pragmatic reasons.
— Banno
That means that we are forced to hold all reasonable unknowns to be true. That we are forced to feel confident in them. That doesn't make sense.
— praxis
How does this "force" you to do any such thing? — Banno
Say that I forgot where my keys are. There are many many reasonable places where they could be. According to you, I must have confidence that they are in every reasonable place that comes to mind. How does that make sense? — praxis
Hey, folks, it is possible for one to believe something and yet not be certain of it. — Banno
And are they right? What do you think? — Banno
it is possible for one to believe something and yet not be certain of it. — Banno
anything that is not known but seems reasonable can be believed provisionally for pragmatic reasons. — Banno
Hey, folks, it is possible for one to believe something and yet not be certain of it. — Banno
There is a difference between being certain and simply believing. — Banno
To believe something is to hold that it is true.
To be certain of something is to hold that it could not be false — Banno
One may believe and yet still think one might be wrong. — Banno
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