Holding something to be true just is holding that it could not be false. You are contradicting yourself. — Janus
but with "believe" in the place of "know" You seem to think that what one believes is true, one believes is necessarily true. That's wrong.(1) Necessarily, if p is known, p is true
(2) If p is known, p is necessarily true.
(1) is uncontentiously true; but if (2) is taken as equivalent to it then only necessary truths can be known. Such a position is suggested from time to time by passages in Plato and Aristotle. — Kenny
Rubbish. It's common to treat things as true, even though we might be wrong. — Banno
You seem to think that what one believe is true, one believes is necessarily true. That's wrong. — Banno
It's common to treat things as true, even though we might be wrong. I believe the keys are in the tray, even though I might be wrong. — Banno
If you are intellectually honest you don't believe the keys are in the car, but you think they are most likely to be there. My terminology is less ambiguous, less confusing, than yours. — Janus
The keys could be in many places that you could think of, all of which would be reasonable places for them to be. You can't feel sure that they are in every reasonable place. — praxis
If you were a competent user of English you might believe the keys to be in the car while not being certain of it. Your terminology leads to the confusion in the OP. — Banno
Simply that things, like the location of keys, can be accepted and entertained without feeling sure about them. We can also feel certain about the location of keys. Further, we can have irrational beliefs about the location of keys. — praxis
unless feels certain they are in the car (which in most cases would be unwise) then it is confusing to talk in terms of believing they are there, as opposed to merely thinking it most likely. — Janus
Simply that things, like the location of keys, can be accepted and entertained without feeling sure about them. — praxis
We can also feel certain about the location of keys. Further, we can have irrational beliefs about the location of keys. — praxis
Are there degrees of certainty? Cuz it seems that would solve the problem. Colloquially: mostly sure, 90-99% sure, 100% sure....
Or is certainty always 100%? — ZzzoneiroCosm
Simply that things, like the location of keys, can be accepted and entertained without feeling sure about them.
— praxis
I don't disagree. Indeed, the grammar proposed here makes it clear that one can believe without being certain. — Banno
Are there degrees of certainty? Cuz it seems that would solve the problem. Colloquially: mostly sure, 90-99% sure, 100% sure.... — ZzzoneiroCosm
I can't believe (feel sure) that my keys are in various places at the same time. — praxis
Here it is again: There is a common distinction made between being certain of something and believing it. Your account denies this distinction.
You are not very good at this stuff. — Banno
You are not very good at reading or at presenting arguments without resorting to trying to belittle your opponents. I have already made it clear that I draw a distinction between feeling certain and being certain. We can only be certain of what we know, but we can feel certain of what we believe, even though there can be no certainty that it is correct. To be certain of what we know means that there can be no doubt, not merely that I have no doubt. So there can never be no possibility of doubt about anything believed, even though there may be no possibility of your doubting it. (And if you do have doubts about something then to that extent you don't believe it). — Janus
You are not very good at reading or at presenting arguments without resorting to trying to belittle your opponents. — Janus
I'm not surprised. — Banno
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