Fact checking is a way to support personal beliefs. — universeness
If we’re not sure about something why would we need to hold it to be true? — praxis
So we need to believe certain things are true if we are willing to kill based on it being true. — universeness
But this has nothing to do with rationality, but with the power hierarchy between the people involved, and the implications of this hierarchy. Neither those above oneself nor those beneath oneself are open to being convinced by the arguments one gives.
— baker
Well, that still leaves those of one's own class, surely? — Isaac
No. I have in mind Kenny's "Faith, then, resembles knowledge in being irrevocable, but differs from it in being a commitment in the absence of adequate evidence" Faith is unwarranted belief.
Knowledge, Belief, and Faith. — Banno
Faith is not belief in the face of evidence to the contrary. No one has ever used the word that way as far as I know. — Tate
They don’t say things like “I believe God exists” in Limey town? — praxis
So the mind constructs ‘it’. — praxis
there are relatively few situations in life where the argument from power isn't the strongest one. — baker
American vs English usage perhaps? — Isaac
Well, yes. It's just that it doesn't carry the connotations of certainty you read from it. "I believe God exists" could equally mean one is a fervent evangelist or a casual churchgoer. — Isaac
Loads of people are more powerful than me. I rarely believe anything they say. — Isaac
Whether they are actually convinced by that argument is not given by power relationships.
Do you really see the statements as perfectly synonymous? — praxis
in British English, "I believe" seems to often be used with the meaning 'I guess; I think so, but I'm not sure'. — baker
Personally, it feels awkward to me to agree with an argument given by someone more powerful than myself. Am I agreeing with their reasoning, or submitting to their power? — baker
About a propensity to act, why are we calling that a belief rather than, say, a conditioned response? — praxis
Yes, lots of things. Next. — Banno
I’m not against holding something to be true but I am advocating for some rigorous background checking to make sure YOUR conviction or belief it’s true isjustified to YOU and you can cite your sources and also cite why your sources are reliable and rational. Fact checking is a way to support personal beliefs. — universeness
so regarding the distinction between feeling certain and being certain; we can be certain of some things, so they are the things we know. — Janus
My point all along is that it is possible to act without believing; — Janus
The point is that belief consists in feeling certain — Janus
See especially the section on Degree of Belief, which quite explicitly sets out how not all beliefs are certain.Contemporary Anglophone philosophers of mind generally use the term “belief” to refer to the attitude we have, roughly, whenever we take something to be the case or regard it as true. — Belief
You are equating being certainty with knowing. That's not right. Knowing requiters having a justification. Certainty does not. — Banno
If you wish to use the word "belief" in this idiosyncratic way, be my guest. It doesn't fit withthe standard use of my community, nor with the standard use in philosophy. Take a look at the Stanford article:
Contemporary Anglophone philosophers of mind generally use the term “belief” to refer to the attitude we have, roughly, whenever we take something to be the case or regard it as true. — Banno
See especially the section on Degree of Belief, which quite explicitly sets out how not all beliefs are certain. — Banno
You are equating being certainty with knowing. That's not right. Knowing requiters having a justification. Certainty does not.
— Banno
We disagree right there; feeling certain does not require a justification (at least not an inter-subjective one), but being certain does. — Janus
We disagree right there; feeling certain does not require a justification (at least not an inter-subjective one), but being certain does. — Janus
See, this is where there is a miscommunication. What I said above does not imply that feeling certain does not require a justification. Knowing requires justification. And again, one can know something without feeling certain. — Banno
In this area there seems to be a moral imperative to ‘hold a conviction to be true’. — praxis
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