You might well guess that I’m holding a phone. If you did guess that, would you believe it? — praxis
All I'm advocating is that we call what is certain (in the sense that we can't imagine what its being false could look like) knowledge, and that we call what we feel certain about belief. — Janus
One can be certain and wrong. Thus, certainty does not equate to, nor does it always indicate knowledge.
If 'X' is certain, do we not also feel certain about 'X'? In other words, I do not think you've drawn a distinction here. According to what you've said above, 'X' is both knowledge and belief. — creativesoul
Being certain and feeling certain are the very same thing. Being true and being certain are not. — creativesoul
Isn’t that just your associative memory at work, guessing it’s a phone, and if you put more thought into it you might think that I would try to make it hard to guess and deliberately not use a phone. I’d love to hold a cute little pig though. — praxis
Suddenly it occurs to me now how much belief is a story or personal narrative for ourselves, our ego, strengthening individual as well as group identity. — praxis
Suddenly it occurs to me now how much belief is a story or personal narrative for ourselves, our ego, strengthening individual as well as group identity.
— praxis
Exactly. — Isaac
Seems that "be certain" means the subject is true. An odd phrasing that leads Janus astray. — Banno
Being certain and feeling certain are the very same thing. Being true and being certain are not. — creativesoul
Seems that "be certain" means the subject is true. An odd phrasing that leads Janus astray.
— Banno
No being certain means knowing that the subject is true. — Janus
With sentences like that, is it a surprise I have not understood you?
Is this "No level of certainty implies knowing the subject is true" or is this "No, you are wrong, Banno, being certain implies knowing that the subject is true", or something else? — Banno
Feeling certain does not necessarily mean knowing the subject is true, as the example of feeling certain that God exists shows. Of course being certain includes feeling certain, though, which means that some instances of feeling certain do mean knowing the subject is true. — Janus
Do we have a working definition for belief now? — Tom Storm
Why add "knowing"? — Banno
↪Banno You just seem to be trying, by tendentiously paraphrasing what I've said, and by making asides to others about my purported "confusion", to worm out of having to admit you were wrong to say that being certain and feeling certain are the same. I have clearly shown they are not, so it you that is confused, not I. — Janus
So being certain is just feeling certain of something, and that thing being true. — Banno
To be sure, it is clear that you make a distinction here. What I've been doing is trying to draw out form you what that distinction is. I think I hit on it here:
So being certain is just feeling certain of something, and that thing being true. — Banno — Banno
Can you know something without knowing it? Are you certain of anything? If so, do you know it is true or not? Do you feel certain of anything that you don't know to be true? — Janus
Why add "knowing"? — Banno
I think my work here is done. — Banno
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