So, we should not discuss mathematics or physics, because there are no fundamental disagreements? That philosophy also has the gristle of opinions – since Plato et al we've sought to keep trimming the fat of sophistry as much as possible – in no way reduces philosophy to nothing but opinions, prejudices, worldviews, dogmas, etc. It's "methods, tools" are not subjective, as you concede, which is my point; the difference is that science produces objective claims about nature whereas philosophy proposes objective "methods, tools" of which sciences can be paradigmatically composed and by which their observational and/or experimental results can be interpreted.Maybe we wouldn't even be in this place communicating to each other, because there wouldn't be actually a reason for. — Alkis Piskas
And correlation one can percieve between scientific and philosophical progress is pure contrivance — Merkwurdichliebe
BTW, what other thread are you referring to besides "Is there an external material world?" ? — Alkis Piskas
Science and philosophy are completely separate. That is why universities usually have separate buildings for each. In your reasoning, there is no reason we cant say the same of advances in art and music or althetics - as rendering philosophy into more conventional language. — Merkwurdichliebe
Their textbooks are different colors, too. — Joshs
Because all these cultural
modes of creativity are interdependent;reciprocally sharing, translating and reproducing what the others are producing via their one vocabulary. — Joshs
. I would go so far as to argue that philosophy and art have declined over the past century, all while scientific advances have increased extensively. — Merkwurdichliebe
Ok, here’s some contrivance for you: — Joshs
I would go so far as to argue that philosophy and art have declined over the past century, — Merkwurdichliebe
. Although neuroscience is in this grouping, the models relating to it are not biologically compatible. — jgill
Does philosophy of science require a considerable depth of knowledge in that scientific discipline? — jgill
Science is advancing. This is very obvious. But is philosophy? — Alkis Piskas
Science is advancing. This is very obvious. But is philosophy? — Alkis Piskas
I believe that the root of our disagreement is that you and I are not reading the same philosophers or scientists. Tell me what you think constitutes the last significant innovation in philosophy, and the most important recent advances in the sciences (not technology, but basic theoretical models like Relativity or Darwinian evolution). — Joshs
Husserl, Heidegger, Derrida, Kuhn, Rorty, Merleau-Ponty, Foucault, Wittgenstein — Joshs
Name f̶i̶v̶e̶ one contribution from any of those philosophers that have significantly advanced philosophy.
If your position is remotely correct, you should easily be able to name at least one significant contribution made by eight world class philosophers. — Merkwurdichliebe
I like that. :up:Science is advancing. This is very obvious. But is philosophy?
— Alkis Piskas
Paraphrase:
"My empirical knowledge is increasing, but is my understanding and wisdom increasing?" — Yohan
Indeed, once science turns its attention to subjectivity and consciousness, to experience as it is lived, then it cannot do without phenomenology, which thus needs to be recognized and cultivated as an indispensable partner to the experimental sciences of mind and life — Joshs
(Wiki)Phenomenologists reject the concept of objective research.
“Having studied physics, philosophy, and mathematics, [Arthur] Fine graduated from the University of Chicago in 1958 with a Bachelor of Science in mathematics. — Joshs
I just observed that the topic "Is there an external material world?" at the moment of writing this has reached 33 pages and is very close to 1000 responses! — Alkis Piskas
I was there at that time. I missed knowing Fine, but I did go climbing with Mihály Csíkszentmihályi, who later wrote extensively about a subject I discussed occasionally with him: "flow" in human activities. In particular, in gymnastics and climbing. — jgill
Tell me what you think constitutes the last significant innovation in philosophy, and the most important recent advances in the sciences (not technology, but basic theoretical models like Relativity or Darwinian evolution). — Joshs
If your position is remotely correct, you should easily be able to name at least one significant contribution made by eight world class philosophers. — Merkwurdichliebe
The scientific method is much stricter than any methodology philosophy has to offer, and for that reason its progress is more apparent. Moreover, philosophy challenges its own methods and becomes mired in its own complexities, often leading to mind twisting paradoxes, whereas science takes its method and moves forward, achieving concrete results. — Merkwurdichliebe
In sum, ideas from the last 100 of philosophical work have made possible entirely new approaches within psychology and to some extent biology. — Joshs
How has art declined in the past century? Can you give some examples? — Jackson
Did you ever cross paths with Eugene Gendlin, who arrived at U. of C. in 1963? — Joshs
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