How do you deal with your 'monster'? Have any of you defeated it? — Question
Accept it, not embrace it, basically Jung.Oh, dear. I can't imagine how you can fight with nothingness. Become one with it? — Question
Jung argues that serpents in dreams represent lust and rejection.But the serpent was beautiful, not terrifying. — Noble Dust
Opportunities abound. Seriously. But many people are not willing to put in the effort, and go through the fear, anxiety, etc. required to take the opportunities. They also lack discipline, will, and intelligence.Are economics the problem--Too many people pursuing too few opportunities? — Bitter Crank
I feel people have no direction in life, and expect and desire at all costs to enjoy life. This attachment to the enjoyment of life, instead of to more objective goals - such as building a family, spiritual enlightenment, building a business, etc. - leads to chaos. The fake media also promotes a fake vision of life, and instills fake values into people - that's also a big problem. I think their desire to have fun and enjoy life is what ensures the destruction of most people. Survival comes at a cost - discipline, hard work, and intelligence. Failing time and time again, and trying again and again and again. Not once, or twice, or three times - but every day, 365 days a year, for years on years.Is life becoming too complicated for people to manage? Too many options, too many details? — Bitter Crank
The most profound aspect that bothers me is a lack of desire or will to do things in my best interest. — Question
How do you deal with your 'monster'? Have any of you defeated it? — Question
This attachment to the enjoyment of life, instead of to more objective goals... — Agustino
Opportunities abound. Seriously. — Agustino
building a family, spiritual enlightenment, building a business — Agustino
Survival comes at a cost - discipline, hard work, and intelligence. — Agustino
>:O "We are not here to enjoy ourselves" - Ludwig WittgensteinThe fucking nerve of these lazy sons of bitches -- wanting to enjoy life. Take them out and shoot them! — Bitter Crank
That may be true, but I've encountered many people to whom, for example, I presented an opportunity, and who have refused it because of the risk involved, instead preferring the safer, but less rewarding and easier path. I'm not sure if that's just because of fear, or because of laziness - but perhaps both. Lack of self-belief and self-esteem is a major cause.I would say many unsuccessful and unhappy people have lacked the knowledge (from an early age) to identify a bona fide opportunity. I blame ignorance of how the world works more than laziness. — Bitter Crank
Okay, but what about those people who are told - these are the skills you need, and this is how you can learn them - and who still don't stick with it? They are clearly either (1) afraid, or (2) lazy - or perhaps (3), they don't believe it's true - OR a combination of the three. Or perhaps they just don't want to sacrifice "fun" ;)If one is ignorant of what the required skills and knowledge are, they can't develop a plan to obtain them. Again, ignorance. — Bitter Crank
Common, people can learn by themselves. I don't think I've learned ANY of the practical skills I'm making use of these days except by myself. I lived in a very protective family environment, so everything I've learned afterwards, was achieved through my own self devoted study. And trust me -Reaching adulthood without these traits, without a foundation of skills and knowledge, and ignorance of how to identify a practical opportunity (one which can actually be exploited) leaves one pretty much screwed. — Bitter Crank
depression is a mood, not an illness, treat it accordingly. — Noblosh
Opportunities abound. Seriously. But many people are not willing to put in the effort, and go through the fear, anxiety, etc. required to take the opportunities. They also lack discipline, will, and intelligence.
Many people expect to find a job - why? - because they think they're entitled to it. Nobody is entitled to anything. But yet many people wait on the state - give me this, give me that, make the economy better, clean my street, etc. Bullshit. — Agustino
This attachment to the enjoyment of life, instead of to more objective goals - such as building a family, spiritual enlightenment, building a business, etc. - leads to chaos. — Agustino
Common — Agustino
tragedies and bad luck are much rarer than we usually think. — Agustino
My view on the topic is so simple to the point of being simplistic: depression is a mood, not an illness, treat it accordingly. — Noblosh
Are people functioning more poorly now (now = the present and back... 50 years) than they functioned before? And if so, why?
Are economics the problem--Too many people pursuing too few opportunities? — Bitter Crank
But don't kill the monster, it's your best friend. — unenlightened
My advice is don't indulge in gloom and depression. — Sivad
and who have refused it because of the risk involved, instead preferring the safer — Agustino
This pessimistic claptrap, no skills, no education, etc. is nothing but excuses. — Agustino
This isn't how depression works. It's not something the person is in control of. It's a sickness. — Noble Dust
Talking about correlation, I'm the under the impression that consumerism is at its height and that people now demand that which there's no genuine offer for: meaning. They crave importance, they seek purpose, yet they never address themselves, after all the solutions must be out there just waiting to be shopped.But it seems to me that a really significant number of people are doing poorly in this society -- and not because of major mental illnesses, which don't seem to be increasing in frequency. — Bitter Crank
I think you meant fortunately* but I guess to each their own.but unfortunately there were not enough cases around to support much work with TB. — Bitter Crank
Basically, the work ethic capitalism is based upon. But what I don't understand is, what's necessary? Making a living? To what end? Staying alive? That's not an end in itself.I mentioned the idea of enjoying life that is the problem before. It is the problem. Once one has given up that idea, it's easy to push oneself to the limit, endure pain, and do what's necessary - there's nothing holding you back anymore - no lost opportunities, no nothing. Just freedom to act. To climb out of the hole. — Agustino
Implying one can choose to be born.Seeing as life itself is a tragedy — Heister Eggcart
First there's nothing wrong with working as a trash collector or a McDonalds burger flipper if that's where you have to start. What's all this pursuit of status and pride because of a fucking college degree?If I graduate college with a degree that can't land me a proper job, sure, I'll still have boundless opportunities to be a trash collector or a McDonalds burger flipper. But, y'know, FUCK that. I feel that if I'm educated to do x or y in field z, then I'm entitled to a job in that sector, not to work some piss shit job like I could have done without a degree beforehand. — Heister Eggcart
I think it is to a certain extent, despair could swallow any one of us if we let it. — Sivad
Some people just never developed good coping skills, that's where counseling can be helpful. — Sivad
If a person hasn't experienced any horrific tragedies or traumas or are facing some fate worse than death and they're contemplating suicide because of some general existential despair, well then they're just blowing life way out of proportion. They're taking it all far too seriously. — Sivad
What's the point of enjoying yourself BC, you'll end up in the same grave, and it will be as if the enjoyment never existed. Rather do something (or try to do something) you can be proud of, and be an upstanding character. That's all that can be asked of life.If Ludwig didn't enjoy himself while he was here, I see no need to follow suit. — Bitter Crank
I agree, but risk tolerance can be changed if you force yourself to undertake more risks.Some people are just more risk averse than others, and most people are more risk tolerant for one kind of risk than another. Some people will take great risk in athletics (climbing dangerous mountains) but are totally risk averse when it comes to money. — Bitter Crank
Well, based on my experience, people who work a lot, live a lot - and people who don't, don't live a lot. I remember reading Schopenhauer who said that life is movement - to live is to move, and act. Death follows suite after one ceases activity and lives in physical and mental sloth, because the body pulls back - it doesn't need to devote energy to the efficiency of its processes anymore, and thus it returns to dust.People like you excel first, achieve miracles, then get old and die. Of course, you haven't gotten old yet; time will tell whether you die first. — Bitter Crank
Nothing is necessary. But let's see - would you rather be remembered as an upstanding man who devoted himself to the betterment of mankind, who struggled and toiled each and every day for something greater than himself - or would you rather be remembered as the sloth who never rose up to the challenge, and whose sole achievement in life was casting a shadow over the earth? In the long run, one man will rise amongst the stars and live amongst the gods, and the other one will disappear through the gates of Hades. Who will you be? Death is coming anyway - how will you meet it? Maybe you can hear the footsteps - even now, approaching. It's coming - and you can't escape. Will it find you snuggled up in a corner, begging for mercy - or will it find you fighting to your last breath, determined through sheer will not to give death the victory of crushing your spirit?Basically, the work ethic capitalism is based upon. But what I don't understand is, what's necessary? Making a living? To what end? Staying alive? That's not an end in itself.
You may find meaning in diligence but I suspect that is precisely because others don't and so I find you blaming them ironical. — Noblosh
Well, based on my experience, people who work a lot, live a lot - and people who don't, don't live a lot. — Agustino
would you rather be remembered as an upstanding man who devoted himself to the betterment of mankind, who struggled and toiled each and every day for something greater than himself - or would you rather be remembered as the sloth who never rose up to the challenge, and whose sole achievement in life was casting a shadow over the earth? — Agustino
No my friend, it wasn't workaholism that destroyed them. It was their lust, greed, shamelessness and sloth - you were right in saying that those who "work a lot" there also "party a lot". It's the partying that killed them. The truth is - they've never worked. Not real work. It's always been fake work, for a J.P. Morgan or some shit. Useless work. Wasting time in an office. 50% of "work-time" is wasted by most people. It's, as I said before, all smoke and mirrors. Drop the smoke and mirrors.Not because of laziness: because of the prevailing environment of workaholism. — Noble Dust
So you'd rather throw away your life? No gratitude at all, for having been gifted with it.I'd rather not be remembered at all. The entire premise here is as empty as the materialism you critique. — Noble Dust
No my friend, it wasn't workaholism that destroyed them. It was their lust, greed, shamelessness and sloth — Agustino
The truth is - they've never worked. Not real work. — Agustino
So you'd rather throw away your life? No gratitude at all, for having been gifted with it. — Agustino
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