↪Joshs So, would you say the Logical Positivists, and the Analytics whose main concern is with propositional and modal logic, are the odd ones out (are there others?) islands cut off from the diverse mainland of philosophy? — Janus
The positivists made everyone dumber. If you want to do science, do science. — Jackson
I would say that any school of philosophy that understands its inquiry in isolation from the biological and cultural niches that produce it will erect arbitrary walls between it and other schools of philosophy. — Joshs
I would say that any school of philosophy that understands its inquiry in isolation from the biological and cultural niches that produce it will erect arbitrary walls between it and other schools of philosophy. — Joshs
I don't remember their names anymore. But it was a group which W. was attending and told them he did not agree with them. — Jackson
Yes, that rings a bell. I remember reading somewhere that ( at least some) of the Positivists saw him as their mentor and wanted him to participate in their meetings, but he disabused them of the notion that they were doing something along the lines of what he was, I can't remember specific names either, and I can't be bothered looking it up. — Janus
Art is largely founded on the subjective, so pulling out an objective result faces its own challenges.
— Philosophim
Then all of everyone's life is "subjective." — Jackson
Currently art is considered subjective. Finding an objective explanation for art is one of the challenges philosophy has to yet solve. — Philosophim
Currently art is considered subjective. — Philosophim
Currently art is considered subjective.
— Philosophim
By you. I see no argument for that. — Jackson
Feel free to enlighten me! — Philosophim
What are the degrees of art. Why are some things considered more artistic than others? — Philosophim
Sure. The objective/subjective dichotomy is meaningless. If there were no subjects no art would exist because no humans would exist. So, humans make objects. — Jackson
So what I mean by objective is something that exists apart from a human's personal experience. — Philosophim
Art is about a human's personal experience. — Jackson
Why are a bunch of colored sguiggle lines slopped on a canvas considered art compared to a realistic picture of a lake? — Philosophim
Try to engage with more than one sentence Jackson. — Philosophim
What you are saying is extremely elementary and boring. Try to say something worth responding to. You want this? — Jackson
Does this mean all of my personal experiences are art? — Philosophim
If you want to chat, engage without the insults. — Philosophim
The difference between science and philosophy seems to be that science is a much greater complex of different investigative disciplines, and although there are changes of paradigm, in various ways within those disciplines, most of Science's progression seems to consists in building on the previous edifices of knowledge, and in shifts of focus, rather than in, so to speak, demolishing the whole building and reconstructing from scratch.
Most science is iterative. When there is a major paradigm shift (ala Kuhn) though, it tends to be that philosophy or mathematics is getting involved more directly in science. For example, two of the biggest "revolutions" across the sciences since the second half of the 20th century have been the emergence of chaos theory and information science. Both have shaken firmly held convictions in multiple fields about "the way things are" and remade prevailing paradigms. For a specific example, information science has dramatically changed how biologists define life and challenged the central dogma of genetics (i.e. that genes are the primary, perhaps only movers in evolution). — Count Timothy von Icarus
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