That said, speaking for myself, I would fall in love with a p-zombie despite the fact that in movies you shoot zombies in the head, even children shoot zombies without anyone batting an eyelid! — Agent Smith
He's the real question. Would Jesus die for p-zombies? — Marchesk
Most interesting. — Ms. Marple
If p-zombies exist, physicalism would be false. Quite a riddle, this! — Agent Smith
But is it odd to say that my phone has no awareness of feeling cold when it tells me it's cold outside? I don't think so, because phones don't have sensations. — Marchesk
Well, what if the only universe that existed was the p-zombie one? Then physicalism would have to be true! I swear that sometimes Dennett and friends come awful close to arguing for that universe. — Marchesk
Again the confusion between thought as the manipulation of information and awareness as presence in the world. — unenlightened
That possibility is moot as even in a world where p-zombies are ~◇, we would be mere stones, not even p-zombies, relative to divine consciousness. — Agent Smith
Alright, so a p-zombie would be the functional equivalent of the first since it lacks awareness. — Marchesk
At least p-zombie Jesus wouldn't feel pain on the cross. — Marchesk
In my imaginary scenario I have the power to stipulate whatever I wish. But please, "dissent" away. Is that you I see with the tin foil hat and cardboard sign?
I've no idea what you're talking about. — 180 Proof
You did stipulate what you wished, and it ended up implying dissent is lies and consensus is truth. I would wear a tinfoil hat and cardboard sign if it meant I didn’t have to agree with such absurdities. — NOS4A2
I neither claimed nor implied that color-signedness "serves no function". — 180 Proof
Sentience" may be epiphenomenal and serve no more of a function than color-sightedness. — 180 Proof
Also, what you say about "love" is a non sequitur with respect to the question posed in the OP. — 180 Proof
A quick test is developed for the presence of this structure. You take it, and of course, you are positive. Unfortunately, your loved one is negative: They are a P Zombie.
How would you respond? — hypericin
Not necessarily lies, I apologize. I left out other possibilities.
"Dissent" from universal expert consensus, i.e. climate deniers (are you one?), is either lies, or Dunning-Kreuger idiocy. Of course there is always the theoretical possibility of "Maverick Genius", but for our purposes we can ignore that one.
However, you have taken it one step further. I say, "Let X be true...", and you immediately raise your finger and say "I dissent! This contradicts my experiences and intuitions!". I don't know what to say, other than you must have been a joy to teach.
That basic awareness should be absent while memory and identification is fully functional simply makes no sense to me. — unenlightened
would thoroughly enjoy abusing them, although I'm not sure I would enjoy it actually, knowing that they aren't actually suffering. — bert1
People tend to treat others as if those others don't really exist, as if they are merely shells with no inner life, other than the one stipulated by other people. — baker
Are you a sociopath then? — hypericin
A teddy bear is a "loved one" to a child (and some teens / adults). And try telling a group of "Cheese-heads" tailgating out at Lambeau Field with windchill @ -20° F that they doesn't really love the Green Bay Packers. :sweat:My OP was about "Loved Ones", so really it was your talk of loving teddy bears and sports teams that wasa non sequitor— hypericin
Exactly what evidence was collected to suggest this conclusion? Your implications are that the lack of this kind of consciousness would make no external difference, which leaves little to nothing for the scientists to measure.Scientists make an astonishing discovery: a certain microstructure in the brain, previously believed to be vestigial, is in fact responsible for consciousness. — hypericin
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