Count Timothy von Icarus

Cuthbert
Gnomon
Most of the economic math and speculative predictions are way over my head. But "information-theoretic" is right down my philosophical alley. What does your IT perspective say about the near future? In view of the current inflationary bubble, is a serious Recession inevitable? I have no upwardly mobile "stonks", and I don't have any money to invest in EFTs. So, maybe I'll just hunker-down in my non-fungible cave, where I have nothing to lose, and try to ride it out. :cool:From an information theoretic perspective this also makes little sense. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Count Timothy von Icarus
Tate
jgill
I think any attempt to predict the particulars of a recession is a fool's errand. I'm talking more about how "what has been the case," is erroneously seen as "what must be the case in the future." — Count Timothy von Icarus
BC
Count Timothy von Icarus
Cuthbert
To be fair, no one asks a biologist to predict the next mammal that will evolve, or a neuroscientist to guess what they're thinking of using neuroimaging alone. People's expectations for economists are strangely high. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Count Timothy von Icarus
abstract-project
unenlightened
To be fair, no one asks a biologist to predict the next mammal that will evolve, or a neuroscientist to guess what they're thinking of using neuroimaging alone. People's expectations for economists are strangely high. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Agent Smith
Chaps do manage to forecast the weather to an approximation, and that's a complex system. I think economics suffers from the same problem as psychology, (and politics, as you mentioned) that the theories change behaviour and so confound themselves. For example, the effect of this thread, if widely read and believed, might be to send stocks into a long term decline as long term investors diversify. Until folks get as far as this post and realise that the long term decline has been caused by a self-fulfilling prophesy rather than real events ... and so on.
I suspect every theory in the humanities is inclined to become either self-fulfilling or self-refuting as soon as it becomes public, but I wouldn't care to say which kind this one is. — unenlightened
Most interesting. — Ms. Marple
Isaac
I suspect every theory in the humanities is inclined to become either self-fulfilling or self-refuting as soon as it becomes public, but I wouldn't care to say which kind this one is. — unenlightened
Any theory in psychology that explains (human behavior) will also have to predict (human behavior). Yet, once we're in the know about such a theory, we can alter our conduct, thus falsifying the theory. — Agent Smith
Agent Smith
Yet, once we're in the know — Agent Smith
Isaac
I'm not expecting the transformation and thus the falsification of a psychological theory overnight - it'll be gradual, depending on what you alluded to which is how fast the information is disseminated to the people, but falsification is inevitable. — Agent Smith
Agent Smith
So presumably has happened with a great many theories already? Providing an example shouldn't be too much trouble then. — Isaac
Isaac
Read up on cognitive biases, the modern version of fallacies, and get back to me. — Agent Smith
unenlightened
You two have a very distorted view of the degree to which the general public read psychology papers! — Isaac
Agent Smith
Are you suggesting that people no longer suffer from cognitive biases? — Isaac
unenlightened
Providing an example shouldn't be too much trouble then. — Isaac
Isaac
The general public read trashy women's magazines and watch tv, which are full of the latest freshly out of date psychology theory concerning losing weight, self improvement of all kinds,, and whatever the latest therapy of the stars is. — unenlightened
they are also moulded by clickbait which is designed by psychologists - one doesn't have to understand to be influenced. — unenlightened
They don't read astronomy papers either, but they know space is big and think they have been abducted by aliens in space ships. That's a new phenomenon of human behaviour. — unenlightened
as we gain knowledge of our how our brains work, we will also be able to avoid the pitfalls we discover along the way. — Agent Smith
Agent Smith
You've misunderstood my request (which is odd because it was quite simple) I was asking for evidence that this has actually happened, not a mechanism whereby it could. — Isaac
Isaac
The theories of Freud have totally transformed public attitudes and behaviour regarding sex — unenlightened
Replication crisis in psychology? — Agent Smith
Agent Smith
What about it? — Isaac
Agent Smith
The theories of Freud have totally transformed public attitudes and behaviour regarding sex, from regarding a glimpse of stocking as something shocking, to anything goes. — unenlightened
unenlightened
but that doesn't' then falsify those theories, if anything it provides good evidence that they're right. — Isaac
Isaac
Pre-publication: Bad methodology.
Post-publication: People altering their behavior (now they know).
Either way, disastrous for psychology, oui? — Agent Smith
Isaac
Everybody knows about clickbait. So they become somewhat immune and it has to change. — unenlightened
every experiment involves deception - as soon as the subject knows what aspect of behaviour is being investigated, their behaviour is influenced by that knowledge. — unenlightened
a huge part of all social behaviour in humans is dependent on what one thinks of humans - one's folk psychology, and folk psychology is influence by so-called scientific psychology. — unenlightened
Physicists do not have this problem as atoms do not have a folk atomic theory, that influences their interactions. — unenlightened
Agent Smith
Isaac
Take two people A & B. Inform A on comfirmation bias aka cherry-picking and keep the other, B, in the dark about this bias. Ask both to analyze their beliefs. There should be a noticeable difference betwixt the two in my humble opinion — Agent Smith
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