This means that this discussion is not meant to be a philosophical discussion. If this is not a philosophical discussion, what kind of discussion is it? In other words: what are you talking about? — Angelo Cannata
Even with the knowledge that we humans can achieve about the external world via science, the things that we can actually be sure about universe isn't much at all. And I want to know what are some of these things that others take for granted about universe/cosmos. — dimosthenis9
Time is infinite in the past and into the future. — god must be atheist
For example. Mine are : 1.Everything is united.
2.Everything is in motion. — dimosthenis9
things that actually we can be sure about the universe...And I couldn't find any except the 2 things that I mentioned. — dimosthenis9
Hmm.Why are you so sure time exists indeed as to be also infinite? It's a damn huge mystery yet for science what actually time is.
I don't say that your statement is wrong (cause I don't know either) but I just wanna know what is that makes you hold that belief as your absolute truth. — dimosthenis9
I am sorry. Everything is not proven to exist. Nothing is proven to exist, except the mind that thinks. — god must be atheist
as you can't name any time in the past that had not been preceeded by five minutes, and can't name any time in the future that won't be followed by five minutes. — god must be atheist
Well I m not into this line of thinking. Solipsism isn't my taste. — dimosthenis9
Sorry I m not sure I got that. — dimosthenis9
I am not saying that everything does not exist. I am saying we can't be sure about that. Big difference. — god must be atheist
I am stepping out. I don't care to argue about this — god must be atheist
I would have bet ahead of time that you don't. — god must be atheist
Well no, we can't really know exactly how the external world is.Only what senses tell us. And neither what is really true about the universe and what its actual form is. — dimosthenis9
What you think as indisputable fact? — dimosthenis9
If we're part of the universe, there is no "external world." There's just the world, — Ciceronianus
If you seek absolute truths which aren't "human-ish" then you will have to find another world. — Ciceronianus
and if that means there is no "absolute truth" so be it (so IS it, in fact). — Ciceronianus
We cannot know it and have no reason to know it. — Ciceronianus
This universe is in motion but there could be others. — magritte
All is physically connected but in a limited way. — magritte
Without artificial things simple dialectic is worthless. — magritte
Why would anything have identity or a name? — magritte
Reality is composed of relationships. That is to say, things exist in relation to other things, but the "things" are not fundamental necessarily, only the relations — Jerry
. I exist in a reality, hence other things exist too. I know this because the experiences I feel are the relationship that unite me with other things. — Jerry
human consciousness is the most potent force in the known Universe. — Bret Bernhoft
It strikes me that what Descartes wrote in 1640 has a lot in common with what Lao Tzu wrote 2,000 years earlier — T Clark
3. As such, there cannot be one thing. — Jerry
Which is relative...Absolute for me. — dimosthenis9
The political parties of the USA are not united for the benefit of the USA. The wheels on my car are not united since they turn at different rates sometimes.What isn't united with something else?
Not sure who 'we'; is here, but the science community has a pretty good idea about what it is, and it isn't something that moves, at least per the only classic theory of the universe (relativity) that has made any decent predictions. We don't know if the postulates of the theory are correct of course, but there has been no alternative proposed that I know of in the 20th century.We have no idea what actually time is in fact
Total entropy of closed systems (e.g. post-planck era universe) cannot decrease. Corollary: local order is a transient phase-state (i.e. aspect) of global disorder.
Yes, I'm familiar with some of Poincaré's and more of Feynman's works, and while I won't quarrel with these scientific geniuses, I'll point out that these are (no doubt, highly informed) speculations at best and, as far as I know, have no experimental / applied bearing on non-equilibrium statistical mechanics, physical cosmology or information science.Have you heard of Poincaré's recurrence theorem? In short: a closed system in thermodynamic equilibrium will (if you wait long enough) randomly reach a state of lower entropy, And then increase again, so you get fluctuations in entropy. Moreover, if I may refer to one of my favourite little books "The Character of Physical Law" Feynman makes a good case for physical laws to be symmetrical and therefore in theory allowing for objects to fall upwards, time to flow in reverse and entropy to decrease. — Benkei
Which is relative... — noAxioms
The political parties of the USA are not united for the benefit of the USA. The wheels on my car are not united since they turn at different rates sometimes.
OK, neither of these examples seems to meet your definition, which seems to have to do with both objects affected by the other.
A couple better examples then: The iceberg that sank the Titanic was not affected by me, but I was affected by it.
Similarly, the fairly distant galaxy EGSY8p7 can be seen from Earth, but Earth cannot be seen by it. No light or other signal sent from Earth at any time will ever reach EGSY8p7 regardless of the time you give it to get there. — noAxioms
Not sure who 'we'; is here, but the science community has a pretty good idea about what it is, and it isn't something that moves, at least per the only classic theory of the universe (relativity) that has made any decent predictions. We don't know if the postulates of the theory are correct of course, but there has been no alternative proposed that I know of in the 20th century. — noAxioms
but there has been no alternative proposed that I know of in the 20th century. — noAxioms
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