Yet, there's a paradox in my previous reply. Can you find what? (It's easy now that I have pointed it out,) — Alkis Piskas
Nice! Yet, the paradox I was referring to is a little more simple. It's a self-contradiction: The statement "There are no Absolute Truths" is used as an absolute truth itself! :smile:A truth, if it ever existed, needs to be objectively. But, paradoxically, the nature and sense of truths depend on humans's perspective and consensus.
So, a truth would need to be subjective to exist. — javi2541997
Certainly.Yeah but despite human existence or not,universe has to have a function no? Well that function has to work in some way. Right? Not necessarily have purpose at all, but there must be still a function. — dimosthenis9
Yes, I undestand what you mean. You could also call that an "absolute reality". But see, discussions like these, based on concepts like "truth" and "reality", are like walking in a mine field. There are a lot of traps. Or like walking on ice, where you can easlily slip.That function remains the same despite if there are humans or any kind of thinking existence as to observe it . It was there even before human species appear to Earth.
That is what I would call the absolute truth for universe. — dimosthenis9
Absolute means unchangeable and unqualified. It cannot even be measured or determined exactly, "exact" being also an attribute of "absolute".We say "absolute zero". Can we really measure such a thing with certainty? Absolute is unmeasurable. Like eternity. I don't think that "absolute" even exists at all. We can only use the word in figures of speech like "I'm absolute on that", "with absolute certainty", "I have absolute faith on him" and so on. The more examples come to my mind, the more silly they sound to me! :grin:human mind has the ability to form some crisis that can be absolute ideed. — dimosthenis9
These terms, and the concepts they represent, like any other term, are created by humans. They do not exist in and have no meaning for the Universe. — Alkis Piskas
Yes, I undestand what you mean. You could also call that an "absolute reality". But see, discussions like these, based on concepts like "truth" and "reality", are like walking in a mine field. There are a lot of traps. Or like walking on ice, where you can easlily slip. — Alkis Piskas
And the proof that this knowledge is subjective --i.e. there's no absolute knowledge-- is that during all that time until today and for the days to come, this knowledge has changed, is chamging and will change: new theories are added and old ones are modified or even vanish. — Alkis Piskas
. We can only use the word in figures of speech like "I'm absolute on that", "with absolute certainty", "I have absolute faith on him" and so on. The more examples come to my mind, the more silly they sound to me! :grin: — Alkis Piskas
1. There are no Absolute Truths
2. There are no Absolute Truths — Alkis Piskas
a universal feedback system. — Pantagruel
What does this mean? — Tom Storm
What does this mean? — Tom Storm
Just playing the paradox card. — universeness
That I am in a dialog with the universe by way evidence, I guess would be one way of characterizing it. — Pantagruel
That said, imagine a scenario in which information is being transferred. — Daniel
Now, I want to apologize for the very vague language, I guess I am trying to generalize as much as possible, which might be a huge mistake; nevertheless, I'll do it once more just for the fun of it and say that a relation cannot occur between the exact same thing(s), and the possibility for variation must exist before a relation can take place. So, even if things exist, if they do not change in any of their properties relative to each other simply because they cannot vary (they cannot adopt other conformations other than their ground conformation) and hence cannot be affected, there won't be a relation between them. — Daniel
a relation cannot occur between the exact same thin — Daniel
Absolute means unchangeable and unqualified. It cannot even be measured or determined exactly, "exact" being also an attribute of "absolute".We say "absolute zero". — Alkis Piskas
My existence" does not require "proof" or to be demonstrated as a truth – "absolute" or otherwise. — 180 Proof
I'm, not trying to be a dick but I don't understand this either. What is a dialogue with the universe? And how is it a feedback loop? :smile: — Tom Storm
At most Descartes' "cogito" presupposes existence; — 180 Proof
Wow that was mind-fucking my friend I have to admit! Apologies accepted.hahahh — dimosthenis9
I am equating a relation to a transfer of information (an interaction - a change/deviation from the ground state/behaviour/nature/properties/form of an entity/particular/object/thing/individual due to an external effect*) — Daniel
a relation cannot occur between the exact same thing(s), and the possibility for variation must exist before a relation can take place. So, even if things exist, if they do not change in any of their properties relative to each other simply because they cannot vary . . . and hence cannot be affected, there won't be a relation between them. — Daniel
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