Exactly. Showing that something is relative, doesn't mean that there is no absolute. That's why I re-phrased the self-contradictory, self-refuting "There are no absolute truths" to "Truth is always subjective", which also agrees with itself, since it is itself a subjective statement, Buut it does not mean that there is an absolute truth.hat does not mean an absolute value does not exist, it just means we will never be able to measure it. — universeness
Yes, I thought so! :smile: (I only tried to connect the subject of "concepts" with that of the topic, i.e. "absolute truths", before it goes out of sight, as it is usually is the case in these discussions! :grin:)I concur with everything except 'The universe contains only absolute truths.' — universeness
This is certain. But then, even if we arrive at a perfect measurement, we must not forget the "Relativity Theory". If this still holds --I'm ignorant as far as developments in Physics are concerned!-- then any precision of measurement and talk about absolute values have no much meaning anymore, do they?I think we can always get more and more accurate. — universeness
That's why I re-phrased the self-contradictory, self-refuting "There are no absolute truths" to "Truth is always subjective", which also agrees with itself, since it is itself a subjective statement, Buut it does not mean that there is an absolute truth. — Alkis Piskas
As for the subject of quanta, I plead innocent. I have nothing to do with it! :grin: — Alkis Piskas
precision of measurement and talk about absolute values have no much meaning anymore, do they? — Alkis Piskas
I don't think that helps as the word 'always' means at every moment in time, past, present and future which could make 'truth is always subjective,' an objective truth and thus absolute. Also If 'truth is always subjective' is itself subjective then it may not be true. — universeness
2. In order to keep my insanity I must pretend sanity.
3. In order to maintain my falseness, I must pretend to be honest. — Yohan
It helps, it helps a lot. :smile: Because it doesn't say anything about "absolute truth". That is, it doesn't follow that there is or there is no "absolute truth". And if one brings up such a thing, it means that he assumes it. In which case, he adds something to it. He adds something arbitrary. Moreover, if he brings up the possibility of an absolute or objective truth, he must be able to prove it. Which he can't.I don't think that helps as the word 'always' means at every moment in time, past, present and future which could make 'truth is always subjective,' an objective truth and thus absolute. — universeness
I know. You, yourself, talked about that before me, only with different words. :smile:I agree with your points on paradox. — universeness
I typed, I didn't write :rofl: SORRY! I couldn't resist. :halo:whatever you wrote there — dimosthenis9
I will take my foot off the pressure build, as requested by dimosthenis9 — universeness
I typed, I didn't write :rofl: SORRY! I couldn't resist — universeness
You little b — dimosthenis9
I think sane people are less happy than insane, and "real" people duped by reality.I would name them your "way of living" absolute truths. They might not be relevant to universe but damn I liked these 2.
The strange thing though is that the way you wrote it, I get the sensation that you do want to keep/maintain your insanity.And I really wonder why. You do love it a little aw? — dimosthenis9
The rule is, that the mind reverses everything. So that everything the mind believes is exactly the opposite of the way things really are. — Yohan
sane people are less happy than insane, and "real" people duped by reality. — Yohan
Why not kill Joe? What have you got to lose?So if for example my mind says "don't kill Joe . it's immoral and evil" is wrong? Should at the end go and kill Joe cause that's the real moral thing to do? — dimosthenis9
Why not kill Joe? What have you got to lose? — Yohan
Hard to talk about such abstract and foundational things, it's as if we don't have the proper language to describe it — Jerry
I would like to hear the facts/things/ideas/rules(name it whatever you want) that you think that apply in universe/cosmos and that we (as humans) can be sure about them.
The absolute truths that if you remove everything "human-ish" from them, everything phenomenalogical etc they still apply also in universe ...This is what I mean by absolute truths. Not anything mystique nor metaphysical. — dimosthenis9
Hey man, congrats..you used all the keywords of the literati here :lol:..”language” public”..just throw in some Philosophical Investigations quotes, talk about Wittgenstein and you’re in! Chad it up! — schopenhauer1
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