Some theists hold that theism is a common sense default state or what have you, and that not believing in God is based on a confusion, like not believing in gravity just because you can't see it, even though its influence is apparent to everyone.God's existence needs a belief. Someone who believes in his existence. This state of mind is based on faith. And faith is a sacred/religious concept. Then, God necessarily depends on all of these characteristics to exist himself. — javi2541997
Some theists hold that theism is a common sense default state or what have you, and that not believing in God is based on a confusion, like not believing in gravity just because you can't see it, even though its influence is apparent to everyone. — Yohan
This is two different categories of knowing. Empirical investigation cannot be used to prove or disprove first principles. You can't for example examine an axiom under a microscope.I understand those theists doctrines. But while gravity is indeed a physical fact that affects everyone because it explains why our bodies are attracted to the centre of the earth and has been proven by many theories of physics, God still depends on someone's faith. It doesn't matter if you do not "see" gravity because it will affect you physically.
Gravity was always been there and later on, we the humans "discovered" it through researchers because these, precisely, wanted to go further than "God's mercy." — javi2541997
Not sure I see how Karma and God is the same concept from a different angle. Objective morality I would see as some aspect of an objective God.javi2541997 Yohan
Could it be said that the common sense default position is to be believe in moral cause and effect,AKA Karma?
Because God and Karma are the same concept from a different angle. — Adamski
Sure, it doesn't matter what they hold to be common sense. But some claim their belief in God is not based fundamentally on faith. I don't know how to test that claim.Some theists hold that theism is a common sense default state ... — Yohan"Some theists" also hold it is "common sense" that the Earth is" flat, only 6,000 years old & the center of crearion". :mask: — 180 Proof
Maybe gnosis or belief of/in God doesn't quire faith? I do not know. But nothing about the theory or intuition of God sounds to me like it would by definition require or be at its root dependent upon faith. It doesn't really matter if most believers say their belief is based in faith.Whatever is real does not require "faith". — 180 Proof
Maybe karma can exist without a God, and God can exist without being personally involved with matters of justice?Karma is the belief that good and bad is always rewarded and punished.
This is basically what theism is from another angle.
You can't seperate morality from God or karma in theist circles. — Adamski
Suspension of disbelief does not entail that what is accepted during that suspension is merely fictitious. Rather, what has been accepted simply has not been critically examined to determine its truth value, leaving the possibilities open.↪Yohan Insofar as "faith" is, in practice, suspension of disbelief, objects of "faith" are merely fictions. (Re: scriptural contents of religions) — 180 Proof
And assuming you are like me, the INTUITION comes first, of something higher than the mundane world, senses and logic. And as this INTUITION is followed more and more, against the naysaying of our own doubts(which could be triggered by others) our Faith increases, until one day we live entirely by a higher sense of order without reliance on logic or the senses (or at least intuition becomes the dominant compass). And the INTUITION guides us eventually to its source, leading to "gnosis" (don't know the Sufi term) The pure intuitive realization of the root principle or pattern that guides all things?"Perhaps Faith is extreme or perfected Trust"
That's a great quote. No perhaps about it!
That's how I see my faith. — Adamski
I'm tired to look up these terms.↪Yohan So what justifies the epistemic standard of justification? (re: verificationism) — 180 Proof
Faith means Trust. — Adamski
Could it be said that the common sense default position is to be believe in moral cause and effect,AKA Karma?
Because God and Karma are the same concept from a different angle. — Adamski
Göbekli Tepe is about 12,000 years old ..Religion is really old. — Tate
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