Essentially the concept is that the unconscious mind is conditioned by ones thoughts and actions. — ThinkOfOne
And, most importantly, it can be reconditioned. Ultimately ones unconscious mind is the result of self-conditioning.
I interpret "karma" in a pragmaticist's way (re: Peirce, Dewey): actions-reactions where the reactions are – become – good/bad habits, or virtues/vices (i.e. adaptive/maladaptive), in which the latter are self-immiserating (i.e. "dukkha") in the long run.Essentially the concept is that the unconscious mind is conditioned by ones thoughts and actions. And, most importantly, it can be reconditioned. Ultimately ones unconscious mind is the result of self-conditioning. — ThinkOfOne
I was referring to the underlying concepts of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 4.4.5-6. How was that "quite a leap"? It's pretty much a distillation of what it says.That’s quite a leap. How exactly were you able to make it?
Obviously it is not the case that our unconscious is ultimately self-conditioned, though we certainly can consciously condition it to an extent.
"You make your own karma". For the most part, seems like the current concept of karma is as a system of reward and punishment wherein "good deeds" are rewarded and "bad deeds" are punished. In conjunction with reincarnation, individuals ultimately get "what they deserve". — ThinkOfOne
I interpret "karma" in a pragmaticist's way (re: Peirce, Dewey): actions-reactions where the reactions are – become – good/bad habits, or virtues/vices (i.e. adaptive/maladaptive), in which the latter are self-immiserating (i.e. "dukkha") in the long run. — 180 Proof
So if true, what does this matter? Any unfortunate ripening seems to be predestined, right? — Tom Storm
I was referring to the underlying concepts of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 4.4.5-6. How was that "quite a leap"? It's pretty much a distillation of what it says. — ThinkOfOne
How is it "obviously..not the case" in regards to "pretty much all unconscious desires and behaviors"? — ThinkOfOne
Well, at least I know what I don't know — 180 Proof
Can you 180 Proof or anyone explain to me the belief in the 'Karmic banking system'?
@ArguingWAristotleTiff spoke of it recently in the Shoutbox.
It's the first I've heard of it.
Apparently, it is when you make karmic deposits and withdrawals.
The goal is to make as many deposits as possible and as few withdrawals as needed.
How does that work? — Amity
That model could make for a pretty good hedonic philosophy: The art of deriving maximum pleasure with minimum consequence. — Yohan
But were you looking for every day example, or were you asking about withdrawing from past lives and depositing for future lives? — Yohan
"Karma" means action-reaction (i.e. cause-effect) — 180 Proof
when you make karmic deposits and withdrawals.
The goal is to make as many deposits as possible and as few withdrawals as needed. — Amity
https://thedailyguardian.com/the-principles-of-karmic-accounting/Karma is like opening a bank account. We have choices on how much money we want to put in to add to our balance, or how much we want to withdraw. We can choose to put different investments that result in interest to increase what we have available in our account. We can also choose to use credit card in which we pay interest on what we spend. The choice is ours to make.
Similarly, we have a karmic account. Each day we can choose whether we want to engage in thoughts, words, and deeds that are going to result in good that comes back to us. We can also engage in thoughts, words, and deeds, for which we must pay the consequences. Beyond creating good and bad karmic accounts, we can also choose to do things that create a balance of zero so that we do not have to return to this world to either reap the benefits or pay the consequences.
Everything we do is recorded in the karmic accounts. There is a strict accounting of our every thought, word, and deed. It is wise to make sure that we do not commit any actions, thoughts or words that can rebound to us with consequence. Instead we must have thoughts, words, and deeds that are good so that good can come back to us.
However, if we are on the spiritual path, we do not want to return to this world to reap the rewards of what we do. There is a better plan. We can do good, but do so without having to come back to reap the rewards. This means we are doing good in the world, but the credit is being passed on to God. We only want to accumulate spiritual benefits and the love and pleasure of God. These are termed acts that are neh-karma or karma-free.
How can this be done? We can have good thoughts, words, and deeds in life but we pass on the credit to God. We do good things because it is the right thing to do, not to make name for ourselves or earn money. We say good things to others because it is the kind and loving thing to do, just out of goodness of our heart, without expecting anything in return. We think good things about others as an expression of the spiritual love we are developing in which we recognise all people as members of the same family of God.
We still do good, but our deeds are selfless without us wanting any material rewards. We do get benefits, but they are of the spirit. These benefits come in the form of spiritual progress, the love of God, earning the pleasure of God, and the burning of our karmas without creating new ones.
— SPIRITUALLY SPEAKINGTHE PRINCIPLES OF KARMIC ACCOUNTING
If you hold the karmic banking system as a strong belief, how does that fit in with crisis management or counselling?
When you are dealing with someone with an acute mental health problem and who cares nothing for karma? — Amity
My impression of Indian culture before it underwent westernisation, is that it's belief in reincarnation encouraged slower and more sustainable lifestyles, but that it's belief in karmic justice encouraged social neglect of the downtrodden. — sime
Question: To what extent do the metaphysical beliefs of a culture become determined by the practical necessities of it's society? Clearly they must be correlated to a certain extent, but do they converge in the long run? — sime
For example, if modern society is to survive then it needs to adopt environmentally sustainable lifestyles together with long-term ecological investments that will benefit future generations more than today's. Does this necessity imply that society's environmentally unsustainable belief that "You only live once" will mutate towards a belief in reincarnation that encourages people to work for tomorrows generations rather than today's ? — sime
It doesn’t.
No agenda, theory, philosophy, just simply be 100% present with them. — ArielAssante
And that's what I find troubling.
When people only do good for some future reward, not for 'good in itself'.
And some are judged as deserving of their illness or misfortune because they must have been bad in a previous life. 'What goes around comes around'.
The linked concept of reincarnation I find unacceptable. — Amity
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