Antinatalism makes zero sense: Pain/suffering is important only to the extent that it delays/prevents death (nonexistence). To then prescribe nonexistence as a solution to pain/suffering is to both simultaneously accept and reject the value/significance of pain/suffering. — Agent Smith
:100: To suggest that the solution to human suffering is the non-existence of humans so that no contemplations regarding the value/injustice of human suffering can take place is illogical. Just like the idea of killing the patient to cure the patient is illogical. — universeness
Do you think I could sell this BS — universeness
You're onto something, monsieur/mademoiselle as thr case may be — Agent Smith
Obviously to me, the story of Orga and Qubit is a moral tale and I judge it worth repeating. — Athena
But Jesus himself IS a parable. BUT his message is anti-semitic and anti rebellion.Someone asked Jesus why he speaks in parables and he replied because people pay attention to the stories. — Athena
The truth of these stories is there when they are not taken literally. It is clearly the storyteller's job to prepare the young to be good members of the group. — Athena
If we want to argue against Christianity, point out how people around the world have similar stories and there is nothing special about the Christian ones, but in fact, their Garden of Eden story started in Ur and is the translation of a Sumerian story. Christian holidays are seasonal pagan holidays given a Christian interpretation. Jung studied the symbolism of these stories and the stories seem to use the same symbolism because we share the human experience, and Campbell picks up from Jung to explain the importance of myths and Bolen helps us see the Greek gods and goddesses as archetypes. — Athena
Heterosexual male. You don't need to replicate until you occupy all of space and time Mr Smith for YOU are a human being and there is no one exactly like you and please remember we will NEVER see your uniqueness again but YOU are here, and in the future YOU will ALWAYS have been here. YOU are photographed/recorded in the fabric of space and time and YOU have no idea what legacy YOU will leave and who YOUR LIFE touched. ANTINATALISM SUCKS! — universeness
After that, the decision is theirs to make. — Agent Smith
You're onto something, monsieur/mademoiselle as thr case may be. — Agent Smith
Orga and Qubit became a good balance — Athena
We can hope brother! and maybe that's what humans are best at, when its the worst of times. — universeness
Sure, go ahead and do that, and allow me to shout over your shoulder that all these 'similar stories' are made up LIES! Now let's study how the Sumerians, Assyrians, Akkadians, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Greeks, etc actually lived day to day. Let's talk about the REAL moral dilemma's they faced. We don't need to use their fantasy god stories or their Minotaur or titan fables to exemplify human moral dilemma's or injustice or how to establish decent sociopolitical systems. We just need to use examples of REAL people and how they lived and what they decided to do and why.
We have examples from every generation from Julius Caesar to everyday romans like Petronius Artibus (Grafitti on a wall in Egypt, 'Petronius Artibus got me pregnant') to Soldier stories from the Napoleonic wars to Ann Franks Diary to Mrs Jones down the road who cant pay her bills!
We need to debate real life not rake over old BS fairy stories as a conduit to grown up discussion.
I type this 'with all due respect,' for your different viewpoint. — universeness
Explain to me the following two Messiah labeled dictates: — universeness
Wow, to me that judgment is about attitude. It is like getting crazy because you don't like chocolate ice cream. I love make-believe and would never want to be as ridge as you. From a very young age children can distinguish between make-believe and reality. Einstein imagined he was riding a beam of light and he considered imagination very important. Interesting all this arguing and all along the real issue seems to have been our different attitudes about make-believe. — Athena
We need to know so we can make good decisions and that is what democracy is about. Making good decisions and lifting the human potential to make life better. — Athena
Life doesn't suck, people suck! Not that I hold that against people — Agent Smith
N. B. Don't expect a reward! — Agent Smith
Any way, one way we could shut antinatalists up is by finding meaning in suffering. Correct me if I'm wrong but religions are nothing but quests for meaning in suffering. — Agent Smith
I also love make-believe. — universeness
I can actually make up some good stories myself. — universeness
I would get rid of Santa Clause and Christmas — universeness
I think that's because they are so FAKE! — universeness
During care week, we have street festivals and street parties and events that celebrate our differences and our common needs and hopes for the future — universeness
:up: I'm glad you approve.Thank goodness. — Athena
You are correct, I cant but I will continue to insist that we would all benefit from doing so in the long term.You can't do that! — Athena
I am no more a fan of paganism that I am christianity. A celebration labelled with some messed up combination of 'christ' and 'catholic mass' and as you say, festooned with all sorts of pagan symbology is just ridiculous, outdated and somewhat embarrassing imo. I don't mind celebrating the change of seasons etc but not manifestations of nature as pagan creatures or forrest/mountain/sea gods etc.I love Christmas and all the pagan trimmings that go with it. — Athena
I would argue the sad problem is being disconnected from nature and the whole of humanity. For me, I am sitting with all those people who are hungry and fearful and very relieved when the days start getting longer. Knowing if they have made it this far, chances are good they will make it until the food is growing again. I feel a connection with them and traditions make us conscious of our connection with humanity. — Athena
We have an annual Asian Celebration as Spring approaches. Asian people from around the world have booths and sell things, there is a stage for all of them to share their dances and music, and there is a room for children with craft projects. — Athena
I do not like what we have done to the fair! In the past, the fair was a community event, not a commercial event. Please, please may I have the old-fashioned fair where we showed off our handwork, produce, hobbies, ect. and met with our neighbors. — Athena
Antinatalism is a somewhat militaristic point of view. In this war movie - forgot the name, sorry - that depicted the allied landing in Normandy, the Germans on the hills above the beach aimed their guns on the boats (life) instead of the soldiers (suffering) in them! It's the same thing! :snicker: — Agent Smith
Natalism is militaristic as well... One person's enthusiasm becomes another person's burden.. And the post-facto excuses abound for this misguided notion! — schopenhauer1
Hence life swings like pendulum to and fro between pain and boredom, — schopenhauer1
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