or is the only ironic thing that what I hold to be true and expect others to find meaningful to be summarily dismissed as nonsense? — introbert
It is ironic that to be someone who has a mind that searches for meaning that the results of that search are often meaningless when related to others. — introbert
My standard for considering something ironic is pretty low. The standard dictionary definition of the opposite of what a certain set of circumstances would have you expect, especially if it is humorous or paradoxical. — introbert
As it relates to reality: I believe that reality is fundamentally ironic as consciousness and the world it perceives are united as one materially, but there is a deficit between the idea that consciousness produces and the world. — introbert
Adept interpretation. When I say reality I take an indirect realist position. What I'm saying is irony is a proof of it, not making a circular. If direct realism was true our perceptions and thoughts (including expectations) should align perfectly with the world. However we fail to see every detail in any situation and the result are ironic surprises. I just make this point because irony is generally not connected to indirect realism but I strongly believe it is a phenomenon and proof of it. — introbert
As it relates to reality: I believe that reality is fundamentally ironic as consciousness and the world it perceives are united as one materially, but there is a deficit between the idea that consciousness produces and the world. Because of this circumstance people live in a constant state of irony, perhaps not on the surface of every single perception, but on the level of the moment by moment constant revolutions of reality unfolding against consciousness that has limited powers of expectation. — introbert
I passionately disagree with the belief irony is a property of language. It certainly has been interpreted that way especially in 19th? century german philosophy, but I definitely think irony is a subjective phenomenon and not something symbolic. Literary irony is a simulacrum of irony and I believe Hegel and his ilk pushed a literary turn in irony because of his bias against it that "irony (socratic) is subjective that annihilates the objective". To use Hegel's terms, I stand my ground that irony is a phenomenon of indirect reality, subjective, that flies in the face of expectations that are established through objectivity. — introbert
I believe that reality is fundamentally ironic as consciousness and the world it perceives are united as one materially, — introbert
But both of those musings are nonsense as I hold that reality is only moderately indirect realist: there is a world and we live in it but we are separate from it and require advanced nervous system to comprehend it, but alas, it is not good enough so we exist in an absurd-ironic state in a sufficiently detached reality to claim, as I have, that we are immersed in an ironic subjective phenomenon. — introbert
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