The Ukrainian forces took back some territory, but large parts of Ukraine remain in Russian hands. — Tzeentch
Further, it shows the offensive halted at the first natural line of defense it encountered - the Oskil river. Why would that be?
It is significant because it means that the Russians can be beaten.
— Olivier5
You're implying that because Ukraine has shown the Russians can be beaten (lets put it in military terms - "is capable of offensive operations") Russia is losing the war. Seems like a jump to conclusions to me. — Tzeentch
Larger still are the Ukrainian regions the Russians failed to invade. — Olivier5
Because the Russians blown up the bridges over the Oskil river while leaving, duh... — Olivier5
I simply said that if Russia can be beaten in this oblast, it can be beaten in other oblast. — Olivier5
Larger still are the Ukrainian regions the Russians failed to invade.
— Olivier5
The number of troops the Russians have deployed indicate they never intended to invade all of Ukraine. — Tzeentch
But not in Kherson, apparently. — Tzeentch
That is only your interpretation of it. — Olivier5
My interpretation is that they expected a rapid Ukrainian surrender. — Olivier5
The plan B was evidently to take Kiev and install a puppet regime. Didn't happen either. — Olivier5
For one, with western backing it was obvious from the outset that taking Kiev would not end the conflict. Leadership of the war is not and never has been conducted from Kiev. — Tzeentch
A dictator for instance may find it difficult to fathom that killing Zelensky would not stop the resistance. — Olivier5
The only way Russia is going to the negotiating table is when it cannot obtain it's objectives through military means. What is so difficult here to understand?What's the Y you'd be willing to advocate? Because apparently it's not ceding territory and it's not ceding any autonomy and you've just admitted that Ukraine are no threat to Russia. — Isaac
If the Ukrainians would not have defended at all, just why would you think Putin would have stopped? What Putin has said about the "artificiality" of the sovereignty of Ukraine shows clearly what he thinks about Ukraine.The number of troops the Russians have deployed indicate they never intended to invade all of Ukraine. — Tzeentch
If the Ukrainians would not have defended at all, ... — ssu
... just why would you think Putin would have stopped? — ssu
In the final analysis, this is not our war but we're sacrificing entire families by pushing them into poverty - that includes all the missed opportunities as a result of a lower socio-economic position in society. We're destroying the future of thousands of children in the Netherlands and I doubt it is much different in other European countries. — Benkei
A dictator for instance may find it difficult to fathom that killing Zelensky would not stop the resistance.
— Olivier5
I would turn that around, actually. Putin and his cronies aren't fools, nor is Zelensky, nor is the Pentagon or the EU leadership - they likely know a lot more than us. — Tzeentch
Putin is a human being, not a god. He makes mistakes, and rest assured that there are things he cannot understand. You should not assume that what seems obvious to you necessarily seems obvious to him. — Olivier5
They tried and failed to capture Kiev and to kill Zelensky. Explain these facts, ... — Olivier5
I already explained my view on Russia's initial drive on Kiev. — Tzeentch
For one, with western backing it was obvious from the outset that taking Kiev would not end the conflict. Leadership of the war is not and never has been conducted from Kiev.
Secondly, taking Kiev (or any kind of full-scale invasion of Ukraine) would have made direct western military intervention a lot more likely - — Tzeentch
I would say they gave the Ukrainians (but more specifically the West) a chance to back down when they threatened Kiev. — Tzeentch
The only way Russia is going to the negotiating table is... — ssu
What Ukraine can do is — ssu
Russian tanks emerged from newly built cement fortifications to blast infantry with large-caliber artillery, the wounded Ukrainian soldiers said. The vehicles would then shrink back beneath the concrete shelters, shielded from mortar and rocket fire.
Counter-battery radar systems automatically detected and located Ukrainians who were targeting the Russians with projectiles, unleashing a barrage of artillery fire in response.
Russian hacking tools hijacked the drones of Ukrainian operators, who saw their aircraft drift away helplessly behind enemy lines. — Wounded Ukrainian soldiers reveal steep toll of Kherson offensive
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