:100:The knowledge of what happens does not effect the outcome of what happens. — DingoJones
In your walk from one side to the other, you freely chose the path, now turning left, now right, now making a loop. The path you uncovered is yellow, so you naturally assume the entire lot is yellow. However, when the sand is blown away, you see only the path you uncovered is yellow; the remainder of the lot is black. — Art48
Yes, the sand never gets blown away. We know what we did but were we free to do something else? I feel I was free, but that's not the same as knowing.My first thought is that in the real world, the sand never gets blown off the parking lot. We never really have to face convincing evidence that our behavior is strictly constrained. We can only speculate. — T Clark
The question is: If it is KNOWN WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that you will have bacon and eggs tomorrow for breakfast, then tomorrow are you nonetheless free to choose corn flakes? — Art48
Question: in this scenario, do you have free will? Or are you predestined to create the specific path? Or both?? — Art48
Just because you know what someone will choose doesnt make the choice predetermined. — DingoJones
I am free to follow my preferences. I am not free to choose what my preferences are.
The first part is free will. The second part is destiny. We are all destined to freely choose to follow our predetermined preferences. — Yohan
You are anthropomorphizing preferences. They are not separate things subjugating my will.It is your preferences that dictate your behaviour. — god must be atheist
You are anthropomorphizing preferences. They are not separate things subjugating my will. — Yohan
They are not separate things subjugating my will. — Yohan
cause and an effect are separate phenomena? — Yohan
Dictate: Lay down authoritatively. That is something only a being can do. An artificial intelligence can be made to seem to do this.You are mistaken in believing that everything that subjugates your will has to be human-like. — god must be atheist
I agree we have to define will, and perhaps preference.You are also mistaken by thinking that preferences are part of your will. — god must be atheist
Are they separate? Its a big jumbled.They are not separate things subjugating my will. — Yohan
So.. preferences are not separate from what? Your will? You did not say what they are separate from. You need to state that to make sense. — god must be atheist
I am asking if they are separate from each other. I'm wondering if all arguments that X causes Y are essentially post hoc ergo prompter hocs.cause and an effect are separate phenomena? — Yohan
they are separate from what? Each other? or from everything else? You need to say to make sense. — god must be atheist
Lets take an example of being thrown in prison. Then all the people that work at the prison leave with the keys. There is just me and the prison. Assuming I want leave the prison, and can't, is the prison "subjugating my will"?You are mistaken in believing that everything that subjugates your will has to be human-like. — god must be atheist — Yohan
Edit: For example, if everything is predetermined, you can't say "You crashed the car because you were drunk", because crashing was already predetermined before I got drunk. Even if there is a "first cause", what this first cause will cause is, according to predeterminsm, predetermined. — Yohan
You are mistaken in believing that everything that subjugates your will has to be human-like. — god must be atheist
— Yohan
Lets take an example of being thrown in prison. Then all the people that work at the prison leave with the keys. There is just me and the prison. Assuming I want leave the prison, and can't, is the prison "subjugating my will"? — Yohan
Interesting. Isn't seeking freedom the same as having the will to freedom? And so, my will would be subjugating itself?Is the freedom that you seek as opposed to being in prison subjugating your will? You bet. — god must be atheist
This is interesting too, compared to the statement that the will to freedom is the subjugation, and here the will to freedom is a motivation to get free.It's you who is in the prison, not your will. Your will's function is to motivate you to get out of there. — god must be atheist
Don't let's commit the argument from incredulity fallacy, oui mes amies? — Agent Smith
This is the point I want to explore. Do the rules of determination subjugate the will. I don't think they do.It is behaving in a predictable way, and therefore it follows the rules of determination. — god must be atheist
Do the rules of determination subjugate the will. — Yohan
I am not a slave to the rules of determinism unless, like a prisoner who opposes walls and prison bars of a prison, I oppose the rules of determinism. — Yohan
Amor Fati, the love of one's fate, or the rules of determinism, frees one from "negative will". — Yohan
When a man "knows his limitations" and accepts them, he frees himself from banging his head against the wall of limitation. — Yohan
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