I will always be in awe of such people: applying their intelligence and talents to revolutionising our fight against suffering. I will always commend them, their courage and persistence. Long live the good amongst us. — Benj96
The antinatalist viewpoint is a weak jelly, in comparison with such people. Past, present and future. — universeness
But you are asserting that your person/being is NOT omnibenevolent.
Why do you think I asked about an omnipotent and omniscient person and left off omnibenevolent?
Do you think it was a mistake? It wasn't.
— Bartricks
I have been trying to work within your conceptual framework - to figure out what exactly you are saying. Up to now I have not succeeded at this task. — EricH
I will repeat things I've said in the past. You're a smart person and you are obviously well educated in many aspects of philosophy. You are not a troll. I find your ideas bizarrely fantastical and illogical, but I keep trying to figure out what (if any) logic is underlying your posts. This is why I take this step by step approach to try to echo back to you what I think you're saying.a) you are a bad faith interlocuter — Bartricks
And here's where you are just not making any sense. In the absence of omnibenevolence there are no constraints on the actions of your person. There is no aught for such a person. Your person is free to do whatever she pleases.If we reflect on what an omnipotent, omniscient person ought to do in circumstances X — Bartricks
So one last time, if your argument is to succeed you have to successfully resolve this issue.In the absence of omnibenevolence, how does an omnipotent, omniscient person decide what to do? What ought she do?If we reflect on what an omnipotent, omniscient person ought to do in circumstances X — Bartricks
And here's where you are just not making any sense. In the absence of omnibenevolence there are no constraints on the actions of your person. There is no aught for such a person. Your person is free to do whatever she pleases. — EricH
I find it hard to believe that you can re-formulate The Problem of Evil without omnibenevolence, but I keep an open mind. Maybe you have some unique approach. But in the absence of any explanation your argument fails. — EricH
In the absence of omnibenevolence there are no constraints on the actions of your person. There is no aught for such a person. — EricH
I've read Job, and I while I am not an expert in these matters I get the basics. But AFAICT that's not what B is saying.In the Muslim and Jewish traditions God is not omni-benevolent. Yet theodicy still exists; see book of Job. One can be good without omni-benevolence. God lays down the law but he is fundamentally beyond us. — Moses
I cannot answer your question set until you explain how YOU define/explain the problem of evil (POE) and what it means to be a proponent of this problem.Now, my claim is that a defender of the problem of evil - so, someone who thinks the evils of the world imply God's non-existence - has to endorse premise 1.
If you think they don't, explain why. — Bartricks
Either remove the evils from the world before subjecting innocent persons to live in it, or do not subject innocent persons to live in it. — Bartricks
If you can't understand that without omnibenevolence there is no problem of evil, then I'm afraid I consider you the intellectual equal of the crow that is currently strutting about on the lawn outside. I think you're just trying to be annoying.if you can't understand why a proponent of the problem of evil has to accept this principle — Bartricks
It's been most revealing. — EricH
Either remove the evils from the world before subjecting innocent persons to live in it, or do not subject innocent persons to live in it. — Bartricks
This is my last exchange to you on this topic. It's been most revealing. — EricH
Antinatalism is certainly an idea worthy of contemplation. As a doctrine to be applied to a humanitarian lived life it has no foundation. Believing that procreation is not the best idea is fine too. Trying to provide ‘ethical’ evidence for it is complete nonsense though. — I like sushi
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