"Taking candy from a baby is wrong." has the grammar of a proposition, but it does not have the meaning of a proposition. It has the meaning of a command: 'don't do it!' Commands are not true or false, they are obeyed or disobeyed. — unenlightened
Do you know what meta-ethics is?
— ToothyMaw
A mistake. — unenlightened
Some ways of life are better than others, and one of the worst for humans is a life that concerns itself entirely with its own benefit - the proof is in the joy and misery of life, not in the pontifications of logicians. — unenlightened
If I promise to plant you a rose garden on Sunday, then on Monday there ought be a rose garden.
Is this correct? Is it a moral claim? Seems to me that the answer is clearly yes to both questions, so some moral claims can be correct. — creativesoul
Norms are useful or not useful for some purpose ...
— 180 Proof
Commands are not true or false, they are obeyed or disobeyed. Morality is not made of claims of fact but commands, demands, exhortations, pleas, advice to act thus and not so. It is not 'truth apt'. — 180 Proof
If I promise to plant you a rose garden on Sunday, then on Monday there ought be a rose garden. — creativesoul
You just assert that moral facts don't exist because they just don't. — ToothyMaw
This is the way of facts. My keys are in my pocket. This is a true fact because my keys are in fact in my pocket, and that is the truth. — unenlightened
If you have some moral facts in your pocket, you can describe them and we might believe you, or we might think you are describing unicorns. — unenlightened
First off, the statement you quoted was directed at 180. — ToothyMaw
However, I am definitely a moral realist. Humans will not long survive without attending to the moral world. You might think of morals as analogous to laws of physics. they do not exist as facts about the world, but describe the way the facts work - ethics as social physics. — unenlightened
What is the standard or criterion you're using in order to say that something counts as a "moral fact?" — creativesoul
When making such a claim the speaker is voluntarily entering into a commitment to make the world match their words. — creativesoul
I didn't mention moral facts, but rather that moral claims are propositions, and that the way you used "ought" wasn't the way it is typically used in moral claims. In a moral claim, the object of the "ought" or "ought not" is typically not an inanimate thing, but rather a behavior or action. — ToothyMaw
Insofar as we humans are a eusocial species, it seems to me that implicit promises e.g. (a) not to harm one another, (b) not to burden-shift / free ride and (c) to help one another — 180 Proof
it seems to me that implicit promises e.g. (a) not to harm one another, (b) not to burden-shift / free ride and (c) to help one another constitute our eusociality in practice — 180 Proof
No. :roll: — 180 Proof
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