As Descartes pointed out, who would be doing the "you" part, then? The doubter cannot doubt his own existence. — Olivier5
that the issue is about the self? I haven't been following this discussion.people lacking a basic concept of what, in part, they are. — bert1
With the self in the place of the fine garment of nothing. Pretty much.I'm acutely aware this sounds like the tailors in the emperor's new clothes. — bert1
Sounds about right, and for want of a better term.Anomalous Monism — Isaac
All this to say it's high time neuroscience takes thinking as seriously as musicologists take music. No musicologist worth the name would use orchestra heat scans to explore Mozart. — Olivier5
:fire: :up:Now, when you reflect on your own mental events, you're not doing so real time, you're doing so milliseconds (sometimes more) after they happened. So you, in reflection, are just like the third party looking at a P-zombie. You don't know for sure what just happened and could be wrong about it. You tell a story. — Isaac
↪bert1 Some of us "don't have the concept" of what? — 180 Proof
ELSIE: What?
BRIAN: Hmm?
ELSIE: don't have the concept of what?
BRIAN: Oh, nothing.
EDDIE: Ahh.
ELSIE: Hey! What were you going to say?
BRIAN: Nothing
ARTHUR and FRANK: Yes, you were.
ELSIE: Yes. You were going to say something.
BRIAN: No, I wasn't. I'd finished.
ELSIE: Oh, no you weren't.
ARTHUR: Oh, come on. Tell us before you go.
BRIAN: I wasn't going to say anything. I'd finished.
ELSIE: No, you hadn't.
BLIND MAN: What won't he tell?
EDDIE: He won't say.
BLIND MAN: Is it a secret?
BRIAN: No.
BLIND MAN: Is it?
EDDIE: Must be. Otherwise, he'd tell us.
ARTHUR: Oh, tell us the secret.
BRIAN: Leave me alone.
YOUTH: What is this secret?
GIRL: Is it the secret of eternal life?
EDDIE: He won't say!
ARTHUR: Well, of course not. If I knew the secret of eternal life, I wouldn't say.
YOUTH: No.
BRIAN: Leave me alone.
that the issue is about the self? I — Banno
What's that , then? Responding to phenomena? A thermostat can do that....phenomenal consciousness... — bert1
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