Pēdīcābo ego vōs et irrumābō — Gaius Valerius Catullus (c. 84 BC – c. 54 BC)
"Cunt" is supposedly the worst term of abuse, but that supposition shows both a lack of imagination and experience. — Banno
I can't suss out from the post what exactly you're invitinh me to investigate, Smith. Care to elaborate? — 180 Proof
I think atheism is disbelief in theism.Is atheism a belief? — god must be atheist
Yes. I believe there was a historical figure named Socrates, but I do not (need to) have "faith in Socrates".Is there belief without faith?
We've already danced at this rodeo not long ago, amigo:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/763662 :halo: — 180 Proof
Faith isn't restricted to a belief in gods. For example, I've noticed that a great many Americans have faith in their Constitution and the democratic process. People in western countries tend to put faith in their legal system (other places, not nearly so much). Many married people have faith in their partners and the institution itself. Far more people than I would have imagined possible still have faith in the future. There is a wide overlap between that faith and a faith in science and technology.Faith is a belief. Is atheism a belief? Is there belief without faith? (Faith connotes belief in god(s); atheism connotes (wrongly) lack of belief.) — god must be atheist
But instead we Have Books like "The God Delusion" and The Dechristianization of France during the French Revolution — Andrew4Handel
t is clear that atheism has not just left people in a simple state of unbelief but produced other motives in people. — Andrew4Handel
:100:Why is it so hard to understand that those positions are not taken with regard to a god, but with regard to what men do in the name of that god? — Vera Mont
:roll:Belief in gods has been used to justify a lot of social norms including the family and the justice system and even the notion of physical laws. — Andrew4Handel
We were "justifying social norms" many millennia — 180 Proof
The point I am making is that atheists do make claims and do actions caused by their atheism. — Andrew4Handel
That's your problem, not mine. I think the concept of gods has always been problematic at best; at worst, it has been used as an excuse for horrific acts. Child sacrifice and self-mutilation leap to mind. Also some really very bad legal decisions. Torture and burning at the stake are some of the nastier examples of individual harm, but one might also mention wholesale slaughter in religious wars and wide-spread abuse of indigenous populations. Overall, not a good idea, imo.I think the problem of doing away way with gods is then that you have to justify norms without reference to gods. — Andrew4Handel
Belief in gods has been used to justify a lot of social norms including the family and the justice system and even the notion of physical laws. — Andrew4Handel
When atheists get involved in the business of creating society their atheism does effect their other beliefs and values. — Andrew4Handel
As an ethical naturalist and fallibilist, the truth value of moral claims about 'what harms persons, other animals and ecosystems' is discernible, ergo preventable or reducible. — 180 Proof
Total fabrication. All those existed before gods were invented. All those existed long before humans walked on two legs. — Vera Mont
I don't believe that atheists have ever started a society from scratch — Andrew4Handel
Some Christians fought against slavery 1600 years after the mainstream churches endorsed it. To wit,Christians fought against slavery — Andrew4Handel
If you're talking about facts, you need to be less selective, or you might end up with cherry picking again to claim whose system of beliefs is the least corrupt.Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” which is Paul instructing slaves to obey their master.
The point is however that vocal atheists have spent a lot of time trying to pick apart religion (mainly Christianity as opposed to Islam and Hinduism) but don't make the same demands of lots of other aspects of life that could be said to warrant equal scrutiny — Andrew4Handel
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