it's important to note that "seems" and "seeming" here does not mean belief, and does not mean an inclination toward, or a feeling, it's an experience one has when one thinks of a statement. someone experiences that a statement seems true to them, just like someone experiences that an apple seems to be in front of them. — aminima
I'm having a hard time seeing how "seeming" equals belief. can you explain more?You say seeming does not mean belief, but it does. It's just a belief for which you don't have a very good justification. — T Clark
I don't see the utility. Even if we were to take "it seems that X" as prima facie evidence that X, we'd almost immediately encounter someone for whom it does not seem that X, and thereby immediately have equally good reason to think that not X. — Isaac
thereby has at least some justification for believing that P — aminima
I'm having a hard time seeing how "seeming" equals belief. can you explain more?
I see belief and seeming are separate things. for example, in the The Ponzo Illusion it seems to me like the lines are different lengths, but I believe the lines are the same length. in this case, seeming and belief are two completely different things. — aminima
is this principle a good one? I think so because it's a simple response to skepticism. — aminima
free will skeptics still have an experience like "it seems that I have free will". — aminima
in defending objective moral values, since the moral skeptics still (in my experience) have an experience like "it seems to me that I shouldn't murder people for fun" — aminima
Though I don't know if only seemings can count as defeaters for seemings. Like if I see a black blur moving quickly past my window in a Y-ish shape, I could infer that was a black bird. If I see a bird fly at the same speed across the window again, with the same shape, and it's white, I'd have a defeater for the first claim as a seeming, but only if it simultaneously seemed like the same bird. — fdrake
You're at a magic show, the magician asks you to pick a card and place it back in the deck anywhere, then shuffle the deck. This you do. He than takes the deck from you, taps it with his magic wand and asks you to look at the top card. What's the probability that this is your card?
I guess I'll have to talk to more free-will skeptics about it. of course, I'll never reject anyone's experiences, they are the expert of their own experiences. However, I will say that I had a professor in learning and behavior say that he doesn't accept free will, but never-the-less he said it feels like we are making choices for ourselves. I'll also like to say that belief does not equal experience. I may experience something to be true, but just believe it's an Illusion for example the Ponzo Illusion and other Illusions. Ultimately though I'll have to consult the skeptics, and I agree that if they don't have an experience like I said, then my principal is in trouble.They don't. Otherwise they wouldn't be free will sceptics. They clearly have an experience like "it seems that I'm not sure if I have free will". — Isaac
Once more you're denying the prima facie evidence that other people experience things differently to you and replacing it with your rational analysis that they probably deep down have such an experience. — Isaac
That doesn't make sense to me. If something seems like it's true, but we know based on evidence, or at least believe strongly, that it's not, do you really propose that we have "at least some justification for believing that P." — T Clark
I've been called and called myself a pragmatist. The pragmatic approach to skepticism is to do the best you can with an understanding of the uncertainties of your knowledge and the risks of being wrong. What more is needed? — T Clark
seeming — aminima
if we have some justification to believe that P and that justification is overridden by other evidence, then we still have some justification, it's overridden. — aminima
I guess I would ask exactly how you have knowledge of our common sense beliefs. Is it because they are useful? because they are true? — aminima
he doesn't accept free will, but never-the-less he said it feels like we are making choices for ourselves — aminima
I may experience something to be true, but just believe it's an Illusion — aminima
they think murdering people for fun is bad, even though they believe that's just their opinion — aminima
That probably seems like a good idea. He seems trustworthy. But once its more money it seems like there is too much risk. You have done some statistical analysis of your abilitiy to intuit trustworthyness. Or humans' abilities.As with all justification, it all comes down to the consequences of being wrong. Is your justification adequate for the risk involved? Should I lend Aminima $5? Sure, they seem honest. Should I lend Aminima $10,000? I'll have to think about that. — T Clark
I agree with this caseI interpreted judgement as an inference, like "If I hear a loud ringing noise (seeming?), and my friend next to me does not (defeater), then the ringing noise could be tinnitus" — fdrake
Where does this "at least some justification" come from when applied to a judgement/experience like seeming? Interested in how the inference works. — fdrake
But once its more money it seems like there is too much risk. You have done some statistical analysis of your abilitiy to intuit trustworthyness. Or humans' abilities. — Bylaw
The claim of Phenomenal Conservatism(PC) is: If it seems to S that P, then, in the absence of defeaters, S thereby has at least some justification for believing that P — aminima
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