Oh, then you know much better than me, sir!I always enjoyed teaching the network topologies of LAN's and WAN's. — universeness
I get the image.using a couple of old routers and a stripped down stand alone and networked Op system. — universeness
:grain: OK, if you want to raise the bar.No, I will not offer a candidate AGI/ASI system that I am not convinced is self-aware. — universeness
I noted down the link. On;y that I will check it tomorrow because after this, I'll close the store (PC) ...The future perfect — universeness
Wow, is that so? Well, I know that OpenAI faces a huge overloading problem. Well, most probably the participition was way larger that what tye expected. It can also be for lack of financial resources.[Re OpenAI]I am on the list to be connected, the list is full at present. — universeness
I get the image.
In your turn, get the following image: Before modems came to wide use, in the office I was working we didn't have any, so I created a program in assembly for transfering data from one PC to another, by connecting their serial ports with a cable! I didn't even know what LAN was. — Alkis Piskas
Hah! I just checked again to see if I could set up an account and I was successful! :grin:Wow, is that so? Well, I know that OpenAI faces a huge overloading problem. — Alkis Piskas
Meat baggage is extraneous payload which is too resources and energy demanding for any ASI-controlled space mission. Given that relativistic velocities will turn even the interstellar vacuum between the Oort Cloud and Alpha Centuri into an incinerating plasma of particulate-trace gases impacts, an "interstellar space craft" would have to sustain "orga" for millennia traveling at 'safe' sub-relativistic speeds. "Mecha" – TINY von Neumann-like Bracewell probes powered by antimatter or a micro-singularity – seems to me the way to go, especially for post-Singularity transcensionist posthumanity. :nerd:I'm not so sure, perhaps 'orga' components will be as vital to the successful development of interstellar space, as any pure 'mecha.' — universeness
The universe at it's largest scale, seems to be a system based on disorder-order-disorder. — universeness
From what I can remember --35 years ago!-- I asked a H/W guy to make this cable for me by joining two serial cables.what cable did you use for the transfer? — universeness
It rings a bell. But even if you missed something. I am not at all the right person to tell you! :smile:If it was a simple twisted wire pair telephone cable ... am I missing something? — universeness
It also rings a bell. But, as I remember I had read only the necessary, basic literature on the subject --a couple of pages, maybe-- just to do the job. The rest --as far as programming was concerned-- was serial port handling. And one can do such things only with machine language. I remember a colleague, working only with a high level language, called me the "Last Mohican", referring to my expertise in assembly language, which was not used anymore in programming circles. Well, I don't know if I would had made all that money from programming if I didn't program in assembly ...Did you send the file as a payload stream with start and stop bits and a parity bit? — universeness
Great. But I expected that, of course.I just checked again to see if I could set up an account and I was successful — universeness
You are welcome!Thanks for inspiring me to check the OpenAI status — universeness
Just en passant, the body cannot process feelings (emotions). It can only feel their effects and suffer its consequences. The mind is the "place" where feelings are created --i.e they come from-- and processed.To have feelings, there must be a body that can feel. — Athena
Ha! :grin:I think chatGBT might have theistic tendencies. — universeness
TINY von Neumann-like Bracewell probes powered by antimatter or a micro-singularity – seems to me the way to go — 180 Proof
Unless, of course, we're talking about interstellar missions (such as asteroid O'Neill cylinder terreria generation ships), again traveling at even lower sub-relativistic velocities, arriving at their destination star systems after many millennia ... like the Star Trek TOS episode "For The World Is Hollow And I Touched The Sky", e8s3. — 180 Proof
The stuff with proteins looks quite interesting and promising. — Alkis Piskas
Biological computers may prove even more interesting than quantum computers, but they really are in their infancy. They have to identify a biological unit that has a 'natural' mechanism to reliably emulate 'at least 'two states.' These states would represent 1 and 0, in the same way as 'no voltage' and 'a voltage >0 and <= 5' represents 0 and 1 respectively in electronic computers, today. Proteins were the best candidate as far as I know. It's interesting that some kind of 'human brain cell,' might prove to be the better candidate. The ability of prions (I think) to cause cell replication would potentially mean a biological computer that can 'grow' as much memory capacity as it needs to. One biological computer could potentially hold all human information currently memorialised on Earth. It could easily store the contents of a human brain. But, at the moment it's mostly conjecture and speculation, but it is based on sound science. I could not make use of the link you offered as it required a subscription to progress to it's content.Scientists target ‘biocomputing’ breakthrough with use of human brain cells — Alkis Piskas
Just a tiny notice. The terms "order/disorder" are observer depended. ITs not an intrinsic feature that a system can be "based on". The different phases of entropy might appear to us as a state of disorder but in reality we are not fully aware of a system's all hidden variables.
Now I am not sure that "singularity" is valid idea because according to quantum mechanics singularities are impossible. Changes in state across larger areas of the cosmos is closer to what we identify as "singularity". — Nickolasgaspar
Something like that, yes. I would call it an AGI or ASI, if such was created and became conscious.Remember I told you that if an AI technology would be created that would involve consciousness, that would be not the AI we know but something totally different? Well ... — Alkis Piskas
AI Could Be Made Obsolete by 'Biocomputers' Running on Human Brain Cells
https://www.cnet.com/science/ai-could-be-made-obsolete-by-oi-biocomputers-running-on-human-brain-cells/
This article refers to what I posted in my previous message.
So, maybe you should think of changing direction ... :smile: — Alkis Piskas
From what I can remember --35 years ago!-- I asked a H/W guy to make this cable for me by joining two serial cables. — Alkis Piskas
It rings a bell. But even if you missed something. I am not at all the right person to tell you — Alkis Piskas
Did you send the file as a payload stream with start and stop bits and a parity bit?
— universeness
It also rings a bell. But, as I remember I had read only the necessary, basic literature on the subject --a couple of pages, maybe-- just to do the job. The rest --as far as programming was concerned-- was serial port handling. And one can do such things only with machine language. I remember a colleague, working only with a high level language, called me the "Last Mohican", referring to my expertise in assembly language, which was not used anymore in programming circles. Well, I don't know if I would had made all that money from programming if I didn't program in assembly ... — Alkis Piskas
Assuming the post-Singularity transcension (i.e. we may follow other ETI in this "solution to the Fermi Paradox"), I think there will not be any "orga" or biomorphic h. sapiens "thousands or tens of thousands of years from now" or any need by us for space travel long long before then. No "Star Trek" or "Stargate" fantasies, my friend. :smirk:I agree that any initial attempt to get to alpha centauri will not involve any 'orga.'
But I don't think that will still be the case, on a timescale of thousands or tens of thousands of years from now. — universeness
Indeed. I agree. Let's see what awaits us ...Biological computers may prove even more interesting than quantum computers — universeness
I had no idea about all this. Watching today's news paid off ... in an unexpected way!Proteins were the best candidate as far as I know. — universeness
I see that you can process all this quite admirably. But I'm not surprised at all. :wink:One biological computer could potentially hold all human information currently memorialised on Earth. It could easily store the contents of a human brain. — universeness
But you like that, don't you? :razz:But, at the moment it's mostly conjecture and speculation — universeness
AGI and ASI are still AI, only much more develloped. In fact AGI is also called "strong AI", and it comes from AI research. ASI is also based on AI and is considered "strong AI".I would call it an AGI or ASI — universeness
That's another story. It reminds of the ethical issues with Dolly the sheep ...Concepts like biological computers and organoid intelligence could lead to a library's worth of new ethical discussions. — universeness
You shouldn't take to heart what I said about your changing direction ... :smile:Organoid intelligence and biocomputers won't pose a threat to AI — universeness
No "Star Trek" or "Stargate" fantasies, my friend. — 180 Proof
If yours (knowledge about electricity) falters, mine can barely walk! :grin:My knowledge falters somewhat, when it comes to the physics level of electricity, and signals flying through the air and rushing down cables and analogue and digital forms. — universeness
Bad old times ... Struggling with 16 bps ...Digital to analogue conversion (modem's) were needed, due to the sending of data down the already existing telephone network ... — universeness
Same here.All sounds like good fun to me anyway! — universeness
I cant say I loved assembly per se. I rather loved what you could do with it!I loved assembly code — universeness
This is perversion! :grin:I even had the 'accumulator' as my 'favourite register,' :lol: I know how geeky that sounds, but I type it with a happy smile on my face. :grin: — universeness
I've been there too. Punching FORTRAN processable cards to be inserted into those 10 meters long computers. And waiting for my turn a quarter or half an hour to get the printed resuts (if the code was relatively small) or even having to come next day to get them (if the code was quite long)!It could have been worse, you could have been a binary programmer in the days of punch cards — universeness
But, at the moment it's mostly conjecture and speculation
— universeness
But you like that, don't you? :razz: — Alkis Piskas
You shouldn't take to heart what I said about your changing direction ... :smile:
Besides, I'm with you. I'm a AI fan and I don't want it to die! — Alkis Piskas
No, you're the one who keeps referring to "interstellar travel" and my position is that that prospect seems quite unlikely for the reasons I've already given.I'm not as convinced as you seem to be of that one. — universeness
By "organic" I understand carbon-based but not necessarly biological and have no idea about the specifications of ASI except that, if it does happen, it will emerge – post-Singularity – from developments by AGI (self-aware or not). I don't predict whether or not such a system will be instantiated in carbon-based materials.Do you assign 0 credence to a future ASI, which is organic and if so, why?
:yum: I kissed an accumulator, and I liked it! Sorry for my poor singing voice!!I even had the 'accumulator' as my 'favourite register,' :lol: I know how geeky that sounds, but I type it with a happy smile on my face. :grin:
— universeness
This is perversion! :grin: — Alkis Piskas
I've been there too. Punching FORTRAN processable cards to be inserted into those 10 meters long computers. And waiting for my turn a quarter or half an hour to get the printed resuts (if the code was relatively small) or even having to come next day to get them (if the code was quite long)! — Alkis Piskas
No, you're the one who keeps referring to "interstellar travel" and my position is that that prospect seems quite unlikely for the reasons I've already given. — 180 Proof
By "organic" I understand carbon-based but not necessarly biological and have no idea about the specifications of ASI exceot that will be emerge – post-Singularity – from developments by AGI (self-aware or not). I have don't predict whether or not such a system will be instantiated in carbon-based materials. — 180 Proof
Certainly.Well, as I suggested earlier, I find such speculation far more credible, than anything the theist or theosophists offer, for the distant future of humankind. — universeness
I can't say. 1) I can't compare mechanical with organic computing because they are totally different and 2) I just came to know about the second type, so I don't know even the basics in this field.In a similar vein, does the idea that a technology such as a mecha based ASI or a human created 'biological' (orga based) super intelligence becoming self-aware, challenge your dualist view of the existence of human consciousness? — universeness
I'm afraid they would have slept away whithin a couple of minutes!You could have told a great story to my S5/S6 students — universeness
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