Well unless I speak of the living, I cannot speak at all. For as you know, people do not exist have no moral rights - they don't exist! — Manuel
That means that you, me and everybody else are likely to be wrong on many - if not most - things. Don't be that confident. — Manuel
So abolitionists should have just shut their yapper up because, they are too confident? — schopenhauer1
For a long time, most of humanity thought that the sun revolved around the Earth. It's lack of perspective. — schopenhauer1
if you were to deign yourself to be a type of person who believes in certain principles, this too would fall under those principles (non-harm, autonomy, etc.). — schopenhauer1
I liken it to vegetarianism. It may be right, but it takes a long time for people to catch on to things. Slavery was around and condoned as part of life for thousands of years before the last couple hundred years. Some conventions are easier to slough away than others. Clearly, slavery was an easier one to universally condemn (but even that took wars, legislation, and the like). — schopenhauer1
It is laughable that you compare your moral whining to real, actual, legitimate human rights.
You give pessimism a bad name. — Manuel
Again, I'm not confused about might not making right, I'm confused about why you think "I think so" is a persuasive argument where "10 million people think so" is not. — Isaac
Because progress isn’t always apparent immediately nor maybe ever. — schopenhauer1
It's only circular if you assume you are correct, i.e., that AN is the same as abolitionists fighting against slavery.
The problem is in your assumption. To think you belong in the same boat is quite astonishing. — Manuel
At least abolitionists were helping living people- you reserve you moral righteousness for those who do not even exist!
I'll let you have the last word here - you obviously enjoy pontificating to those who don't even like children, about how much life sucks. — Manuel
Slavery wasn't always the case, nor racism. Whole communities of people did not practice either and considered them an abomination. Arguments against them appealed to common beliefs. — Isaac
Arguments against them appealed to common beliefs. — Isaac
Literally no one believes that yet-to-be-born imaginary people should have the same rights to autonomy as actual living people. So your argument doesn't appeal to any common belief, it just claims that the beliefs of all of humanity since the dawn of time, in that respect, are wrong. And are wrong solely because you think so. Nothing more. — Isaac
You should be able to memorize my counter arguments — schopenhauer1
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