Noble Dust's post of the song "Heir apparent" is not pleasant—at all—to me. — River
is it possible for this music to have beauty in it? — Noble Dust
However, this band/artist just really doesn't appeal to me. The noise (what we can define as "music" is a whole different thread) of this artist is monotonous, hardly any change in measure, and vocals that sound like the dying screams of a Tarsier. — River
Yet again, you redeem yourself by Debussy. — River
Have you listened to Aida?...Turandot? Absolutely magnificent. — River
Heavy metal...perhaps you're a young dude under 30, a characteristic of which you cannot redeem yourself. — River
However, I feel that word beautiful does include a tangible slice of pleasantness, it encapsulates it in a way, but supersedes it most definitely. — River
Can you think of no example of any artwork that is both disturbing and beautiful? " — Noble Dust
There are films that I have seen that have dreadful content but are terrific films. The Godfather, for instance, is about criminals, and their criminality isn't hidden. But the film is "beautifully acted and filmed". Films that endure tend to have that quality -- excellence in production and acting, whatever the content is. — Bitter Crank
The question then becomes, what does the flower share with the film?
Both have a surface, an aesthetic, and both are made: by nature, by man (as if man is different, unnatural, mediated versus immediate, as if his cognition/mediation raises him above nature). — Cavacava
but without that surface there would/could be no discussion of beauty.the fact that they both have a surface and so on does not make them beautiful.
I think the Beautiful thrust itself at us, it thrust itself into the ways we understand our self (our taste) the many narratives which we tell our self. — Cavacava
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