He'll be OK, just needs to find his tribe, like I had to. — bert1
Astonishing! You'd think the cooking would have clinched it!When I expressed my personality I told her I was submissive, that her right-wing views were disgusting, that she was ignorant and unwilling to learn, and that sometimes I hated her, she dumped me. — bert1
t used to be a taboo to be an incel. In public, you would never have confessed your feelings of hatred and loathing at your lack of obtaining women. — Philosophim
maybe not all nations have officially approved it as a new term. Some nations have though. — Christoffer
Somehow, hatred and loathing don't sound all that enticing in a prospective date. — Vera Mont
t used to be a taboo to be an incel. In public, you would never have confessed your feelings of hatred and loathing at your lack of obtaining women.
— Philosophim
Somehow, hatred and loathing don't sound all that enticing in a prospective date. — Vera Mont
Incels have stopped trying. They've given into their worst impulses of bitterness and hatred. — Philosophim
Two attractive parents can birth and raise unattractive offspring and two unattractive parents can birth and raise beautiful offspring depending on gene recombination/complimetarity if the pairing in any given individual. — Benj96
Why do they choose to be miserable? — Vera Mont
I'm wondering why. Have they sublimated their sex-drive into violent fantasy? Most of them will - I assume - never act on these impulses to "punish" women for their own inadequacy, so they'll just languish for years and die bitter old men. — Vera Mont
That said, being an involuntary celibate, miserable or otherwise, does not equate to identifying as an incel; the latter would seem to entail a very special blend of viciousness and stupidity. — Janus
This sensitive-new-age-guy thing you've got going on is creepy — T Clark
They recognize how disrespectful the male feminist bullshit really is. Grownup women want to hang around with grownup men. — T Clark
Contemporary society is a thoroughly alienating experience for many people -- not everyone, but a good share. Social media, dating apps, etc. bring the chilly competitiveness of business to the more intimate business of finding friends and sexual partners. It's great for the winners, not so hot for the losers.
The images of men and women (in many contexts) that the businesses of social media and advertising project are often very distorted, and the projections are pervasive. From media that is designed to promote consumption (of goods, services, and other people) it's no wonder that some people feel like they are the left-overs from a clearance sale. — BC
No, it came out of a questioning of old norms. Even Stuart Mill questioned why women didn't have equal rights and I don't think the suffragette movement came out of Christianity, most at the time wouldn't consider them acting in a "Christian manner" and they wouldn't have had to if the church or other religious institutions had pushed for such ideals. And you didn't understand what I wrote about traditions, I said that the secularization of power made traditions no longer follow state praxis and instead became traditions in of themselves. Over the course of over a hundred years, since the suffragettes succeeded in getting women voting rights, these traditions have been slowly dismantled over generations since it is easier to question traditions when they only exist as cultural behaviors. I don't think you can give credit to Christian values for this since Christian values have been precisely what's been working against this progression since secularization first began. — Christoffer
And in line with what I've written. The industrial revolution emerged out of secular ideas, since "industry" before that was deeply connected to the power structure of a nation. The modern type of capitalism that raised up from the ashes of monarchy and religious institutions exponentially sped up progression and was able to further finance intellectual institutions outside of elite corridors. What happened was that more people had the ability to question the status quo and it started to influence women to do so themselves which led to things like the suffragettes movement. — Christoffer
This sensitive-new-age-guy thing you've got going on is creepy. The strong, stubborn, competent women I know think it's creepy too. — T Clark
Young people everywhere are struggling with developing intimate relationships (and relationships in general), and that is a serious problem.
I think increasing social atomization is at the root of this, basically forcing young people into an artificial dating scene that for obvious reasons doesn't appeal to nor suit many of them.
The way this topic is treated in regards to young men is especially worrying, and some of the replies to this thread are an indication of that. Trying to force people who are clearly suffering into silence through derision and shame is exactly what creates resentment and pushes people over the edge to commit terrible deeds. — Tzeentch
Contemporary society is a thoroughly alienating experience for many people -- not everyone, but a good share. Social media, dating apps, etc. bring the chilly competitiveness of business to the more intimate business of finding friends and sexual partners. It's great for the winners, not so hot for the losers. — BC
I don't want to be an apologist for their behaviours either. — ChatteringMonkey
The incels represent a resistance to the liberation of women, but this is its self-image, its ideology, a manifestation of an underlying problem--and, I would say, a self-consciously countercultural reaching back to a patriarchal worldview that they have not in fact developed naturally from their communities. — Jamal
What is different now? — Jamal
At the time I did not have many friends, let alone female friends. — Jamal
More like social media that does it.Perhaps it's communicated implicitly through popular culture, which floods the young with artificial imagery of what success looks like. — Tzeentch
I have personal experience of it. In my youth I was unsuccessful with women, and I noticed I was feeling a rising resentment about it. I knew this was wrong so I didn't let it develop too far. At the time I did not have many friends, let alone female friends. All of the toxic feelings disappeared once my sex life became as astonishingly rich and exciting as it remains today. — Jamal
The social stigmatization, which is on full display in this thread, is probably a large part of the reason.
The term 'cycle of abuse' comes to mind. — Tzeentch
The stigmatization should be obvious. — Tzeentch
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