How many instances of violence by incels are there? How often does bitching and carping about their sad condition turn into assault and battery (or fatal van driving)? — BC
And they're not, by any stretch, all short, ugly, socially awkward men suffering from chronic rejection. We're not just picking on some poor lonely boys here.Almost 1,000 references to dehumanising misogyny or violent action are recorded each day in the “incelosphere” as the toxicity of male supremacist content continues to intensify.https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/30/global-incel-culture-terrorism-misogyny-violent-action-forums
We're not just picking on some poor lonely boys here. — Vera Mont
Then I guess the definition "a person (usually a man) who regards himself or herself as being involuntarily celibate" isn't so important — ssu
I understand the behavior fully — Christoffer
Do you approve of that behavior? Do you respect them based on that behavior? Again, what is it that you are defending here? — Christoffer
Male feminism is bullshit? If that's the case it's just divisive and pigeon holing all men inti a category of inherently non-feminist in values. Or mysognistic by virtue of being a man. Doesn't seem fair or rational. — Benj96
I feel sympathy for men who are socially lost and feel left out, rejected. That's an experience I can easily understand. I've felt it myself. Most of these men live normal, non-violent lives and don't offend your sensitivities. — T Clark
Looking back over your posts in this thread, I don't see that all. Everything you've written is couched in the language of ideological feminism. That allows you to judge without thinking. — T Clark
I thought this thread on THIS forum would have a little higher level of discourse on the subject. — Christoffer
In fact I even think Christianity, Catholicism and Protestantism following it, played an essential role in the formation of enlightenment ideals of equality, giving rise to individual rights and feminism. In other words, It's not the realization that those traditional norms existed without reason that gave rise those progressive ideas, they precisely followed from and are a logical conclusion of christian values (who were an inversion of Roman values, and pagan values, that came before). — ChatteringMonkey
No, no. I understand the ideology. Any man who doesn't toe the party line is misogynistic just like anyone who doesn't support Israel is anti-semitic, anyone who doesn't support the Black Lives Matter movement is racist, and anyone who doesn't agree with you politically is a fascist. — T Clark
I'm hopeful you're being ironic, but fear you're not. — Ciceronianus
I can concede that some male feminism is bullshit. Other male feminism not so much. I like to think me reasons for being one are simple and concrete, despite what assumptions may be made about me for identifying as a proponent of it. — Benj96
I'm white. What would you think if I characterized myself as member of the black power movement — T Clark
You know what CM is saying and you know they mean it. This is just passive-aggressive baloney. — T Clark
How many instances of violence by incels are there? — BC
Not if you actually look at the OP, actually. :roll:The thread was about this specific internet culture of promoting misogyny. — Vera Mont
There ought not to be comparison with environmentalists and terrorists either, as I said.There is no comparison to environmentalists — Vera Mont
You seem an intrusive, prickly, sanctimonious sort. But I hope you're not. — Ciceronianus
I didn't say BLM, I said black power. Saying you support equal rights for women is not the same as saying you are a feminist. — T Clark
Not if you actually look at the OP, actually. — ssu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel
While IncelSupport welcomed men and women and banned misogynistic posts, love-shy.com's userbase was overwhelmingly male. Over the next decade, the membership of love-shy.com and online fringe right-wing communities like 4chan increasingly overlapped.[36] In the 2000s, incel communities became more extremist as they adopted behaviors common on forums like 4chan and Reddit, where extremist posts were encouraged as a way to achieve visibility.[23] According to Bruce Hoffman and colleagues writing in Studies in Conflict & Terrorism, as "edgy" and extremist statements became more prevalent in incel communities, so too did extremist trolling and "shitposting"
It doesn’t hurt that you have a rich set of radically progressive beliefs to keep you away from the dark side. When I was going through it I had already been calling myself a communist for a couple of years, so I wonder if this helped prevent my descent into misogyny. I don’t think that was the main thing though. — Jamal
To be completely honest, I went through it again around 2016-2017. I went a bit mad with resentment and, the flipside, an unhealthy infatuation (which never led me to do anything abusive or creepy, I should add. Well, maybe mildly creepy.). Come to think of it, over the course of my life I seem to have oscillated between periods of quiet incel resentment that I was saved from at the last minute by the women in my life. — Jamal
Anyway, it’s probably better to target one’s ressentiment at the abstract woman than actual women. I don’t know if the former leads to the latter in a smooth progression or if something just breaks at some point based on individual psychology or circumstances. — Jamal
Thus the issue you refer to would be the incel "movement". Not about the other questions above.Involuntary celibate is a self appointed term to describe men that are celibate against their will because they deem themselves not attractive enough to the opposite sex. They believe this is objective, fixed and unchangeable.
Is this an emerging mental condition? What is fuelling the upsurgence in men that self identify as incels?
Do you think that perhaps the way dating apps are designed has some influence? Are we becoming too objectifying as a society? Is the incel "movement" dangerous? To whom and why?
So many questions on this bizarre subject. — Benj96
In fact I even think Christianity, Catholicism and Protestantism following it, played an essential role in the formation of enlightenment ideals of equality, giving rise to individual rights and feminism. In other words, It's not the realization that those traditional norms existed without reason that gave rise those progressive ideas, they precisely followed from and are a logical conclusion of christian values (who were an inversion of Roman values, and pagan values, that came before).
— ChatteringMonkey
I'm hopeful you're being ironic, but fear you're not. But I don't want to derail this thread. I couldn't help but take note of these remarkable statements, however. — Ciceronianus
Well, I guess people don't read what the Bible says about the role of women. And about women in general.I think your comments regarding Christianity (which some would say includes Catholicism and Protestantism) are mistaken, remarkably so, in fact. — Ciceronianus
It is feminism if the society is inherently patriarchal/misogynistic to begin with. Which it is. Equal rights in a male-biased system is feminist (supports/endorses conferring more power to women to equalise the status quo). — Benj96
Thus the issue you refer to would be the incel "movement". Not about the other questions above. — ssu
But I didn't want to derail the thread by addressing them. — Ciceronianus
Not if you actually look at the OP, actually — ssu
None. I look forward to the day that men are properly humbled by the clout of women - their intelligence, their strength and resolve - strong fierce mothers, exceptional wives, admirable daughters. Feminity has always moderated the testosterone fuelled recklessness of man. And it was always undervalued, considered weak for that fact.
— Benj96
This sensitive-new-age-guy thing you've got going on is creepy. The strong, stubborn, competent women I know think it's creepy too.
Understand it, and act accordingly. I believe in hearing people out and applying reasoning to show them the result of their claims/beliefs.
— Benj96
Your clear ignorance about the people you're talking about puts the lie to this.
The most manly of men, in my opinion, are those that willingly submit to the power of the feminine.
— Benj96
Strong women don't want to hang around with men who "willingly submit to the power of the feminine." They recognize how disrespectful the male feminist bullshit really is. Grownup women want to hang around with grownup men. — T Clark
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