To state that they are both "women" and therefore both permitted in bathrooms designated "women" is to equivocate with the term "woman," as it has two meanings — Hanover
Since the historical basis of the seperate bathrooms was the result of the sexual distinctions and not the gender based distinctions, you cannot allow the gender based women access simply because of the happenstance of their both now using the term "woman." — Hanover
This is to say we can discriminate on the basis of gender and sex at different times for different purposes, and we can within differing contexts refer to both as "women," but to call both XXs and XYs "women" in different contexts does not give rise to consider both of the same ontological status in all contexts. They are all women, but different types of women, and therefore having differing rights. — Hanover
My impression has been that the recent attacks on LGBTQ have been politically motivated (as opposed to offering a solution to some problem). I think Republican politicians find that they stand out when they approach the edge of decency? — frank
I think it's always been a gender-based social enforcement, even if we used the language of sex. — Moliere
If you also roll into this religious positions of putative voters, which support certain politics, and comes with (shall we say) bigoted social views, the trans issue can be readily be used as welcome evidence that liberals are trying to destroy the fabric of society and go against nature and god. — Tom Storm
The trans issue really hasn't been a problem in most American communities — frank
How has it been in Australia? — frank
I find politics unattractive for the most part. — Tom Storm
(1) those of sexual orientation "woman" and (2) those of gender orientation "woman." — Hanover
Rather than cede the language, the bathrooms, the sports, though, all of which pertain to sex, we should abandon the use of gender altogether. If the sex surgery, the puberty blockers, the desire to compete with members of the opposite sex is any indication, it all has to do with sex anyways, and the use of gender only muddies the water. — NOS4A2
I think bathrooms should be unisex, — Tom Storm
My concerns about bathrooms would primarily be a) Trans women being forced to use the men's bathroom and being harassed or assaulted there on being identified as trans. — Baden
Thoughts? — Hanover
Indeed.No one ever checks your biology when you go take a piss. — Tom Storm
Actually, the built environment does, by differentiating the room you use based on your genitalia.No one ever checks your biology when you go take a piss. — Tom Storm
Evidence that trans women are a threat in women's bathrooms, please. — Baden
think bathrooms should be unisex, like all of mine have been at work for the past 35 years. — Tom Storm
This question is usually a surrogate for: 'Is transgender identity legitimate?' — Tom Storm
It's interesting that no one ever raises the issue of female to trans-male. No one seems to care and perhaps this says something about attitudes to women more generally. — Tom Storm
Do we want to create a separate category of female that forces all trans people to out themselves as trans? — Tom Storm
And what do you think is the issue here? What's the problem that results from folk wandering around naked? Fill it out. — Banno
The disambiguation of the term "woman" is completed by drawing a bright line between the sexually defined and the gender defined, which is what the transsexual accepting crowd advocates. — Hanover
If the women's bathroom were labled "XX" as opposed to "Women," that would discriminate on the basis of sexual designation and not on the basis of gender, protecting that class of XX's who wish that space be protected, but offer no commentary on social gender definitions. — Hanover
That is, the dispute arises when the right decrees that gender and sex must be correlated. — Hanover
Where the community is generally opposed to it, they'll act accordingly. — frank
Republican politicians find that they stand out when they approach the edge of decency — frank
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